100 points for all pro mod rounds
Discussion
this was started when there was 5 cars to ensure they all attend easter and the nat finals
also to stop forigners take the british title with only two round wins
its about time it was scrapped or at least substantuly cut
100 points is more than you get for winning a meeting with 8 cars,
those points saw my team drop from 2nd to about 5th behind teams that did not do anywhere near as well as we did and so in my mind were gifted msa places,
Even without ANY points from the nat finals still the only guy in front of me was roger untill the 100 points were awarded
myself and frosty did not plan to wreck 30/40k motors just so we diddnt need to go to the finals,
with the car count we now have we should race for points not give them away and if mg for instance gets enough points by winning the main event and euro finals to win it shows how crap we are and should do a better job of trying to stop him,
"oh but why race when we can award ourselves some extra points"
im sure this will fall on stoney ground but its got to be said.......
fire away
ps
the only bloke who in my mind deserves to be above me in the final standings is Roger Moo
also to stop forigners take the british title with only two round wins
its about time it was scrapped or at least substantuly cut
100 points is more than you get for winning a meeting with 8 cars,
those points saw my team drop from 2nd to about 5th behind teams that did not do anywhere near as well as we did and so in my mind were gifted msa places,
Even without ANY points from the nat finals still the only guy in front of me was roger untill the 100 points were awarded
myself and frosty did not plan to wreck 30/40k motors just so we diddnt need to go to the finals,
with the car count we now have we should race for points not give them away and if mg for instance gets enough points by winning the main event and euro finals to win it shows how crap we are and should do a better job of trying to stop him,
"oh but why race when we can award ourselves some extra points"
im sure this will fall on stoney ground but its got to be said.......
fire away
ps
the only bloke who in my mind deserves to be above me in the final standings is Roger Moo
Edited by Turbobird1 on Tuesday 29th January 23:24
Turbobird1 said:
this was started when there was 5 cars to ensure they all attend easter and the nat finals
also to stop forigners take the british title with only two round wins
its about time it was scrapped or at least substantuly cut
100 points is more than you get for winning a meeting with 8 cars
Yep. I agree with the principle of having bonus points for attending all of the rounds. But 100 points is definitely excessive. That's over a third of the total points accumulated in the whole season for basically everyone but Roger, and nearly half of Jean Dulamon's total points. I was really pleased to see Jean participating in more than just the FIA events. But the bonus amount for doing so is too high. FWIW, I believe the 200 point bonus in the sportsman classes is probably slightly too high as well (although with larger fields, the effect is much less than it is in Pro Mod).also to stop forigners take the british title with only two round wins
its about time it was scrapped or at least substantuly cut
100 points is more than you get for winning a meeting with 8 cars
yep 100 points as pointed out well over a third of your total points
and double jean points its too much....way too much
its the rule so its how it is...you are no 2 and nothing or no one will change that but i did way better than you this year to come 5th.....think about it
i race and race hard so if my s
t breaks it breaks but if it breaks should i be punnished
or should i race softer so my st lasts the whole season
and luckily my personal opinion dosent sway the MSA but the plain fact is that only roger did better than me last year thats a FACT look at the points up to the 100 was given out,
and double jean points its too much....way too much
its the rule so its how it is...you are no 2 and nothing or no one will change that but i did way better than you this year to come 5th.....think about it
i race and race hard so if my s
t breaks it breaks but if it breaks should i be punnishedor should i race softer so my s
t lasts the whole seasonand luckily my personal opinion dosent sway the MSA but the plain fact is that only roger did better than me last year thats a FACT look at the points up to the 100 was given out,
Graham,
It is the Clubs that had the points system which the MSA took on board. I suggest you contact the club with a view to having the matter discussed at the Riders' and Drivers' meeting (see http://www.eurodragster.com/news/news.asp?Story=ja... ) but fear that you may be too late for this year as I believe Championship rules and regulations need to be agreed when applying for the MSA permit for the Championship. I may have some of that mixed up but someone at the clubs will know...
It is the Clubs that had the points system which the MSA took on board. I suggest you contact the club with a view to having the matter discussed at the Riders' and Drivers' meeting (see http://www.eurodragster.com/news/news.asp?Story=ja... ) but fear that you may be too late for this year as I believe Championship rules and regulations need to be agreed when applying for the MSA permit for the Championship. I may have some of that mixed up but someone at the clubs will know...
It's a level playing field for everyone that enters, I agree that 100 points seems excessive, however you all know what you're entering into at the start of the season, there's no point in complaining about it at the end. To say that only roger deserves to be above you is a bit wrong....yes you're quicker than most out there and do an awesome job, but if the other guys score more points than you then they score more points...you all know the rules when you enter. If the 100 points were brought into trying to get more cars to all the rounds then it worked well...and maybe it needs to stay the, what's saying that if it disappeared some teams would skip rounds, then the fans would loose out? I dunno, but maybe that's something to discuss at the agm not on a forum
Either way, best of luck to yourself and all the pro mod drivers this year, lets hope for sunny skies and great racing.
Either way, best of luck to yourself and all the pro mod drivers this year, lets hope for sunny skies and great racing.
37chevy said:
It's a level playing field for everyone that enters, I agree that 100 points seems excessive, however you all know what you're entering into at the start of the season, there's no point in complaining about it at the end. To say that only roger deserves to be above you is a bit wrong....yes you're quicker than most out there and do an awesome job, but if the other guys score more points than you then they score more points...you all know the rules when you enter. If the 100 points were brought into trying to get more cars to all the rounds then it worked well...and maybe it needs to stay the, what's saying that if it disappeared some teams would skip rounds, then the fans would loose out? I dunno, but maybe that's something to discuss at the agm not on a forum
Either way, best of luck to yourself and all the pro mod drivers this year, lets hope for sunny skies and great racing.
its not being disgused its me expressing an opinion and anyone dont like it go fEither way, best of luck to yourself and all the pro mod drivers this year, lets hope for sunny skies and great racing.
k off....no one exept roger SCORED more points,
and as i said it is what it is... but i think its s
t when 100 out of a total of under 300 is given as a bonus im not a bad looser to me 2nd place is first looser and i have no interest in that.. but i can see in the future it will deciede championships and thats wrong...i can detune my stuff to run mid 30s at 220 and never break a thing but if i have to do that to get a bonus ill race in super pro and be done with it
when your aiming for big numbers stuff breaks, so should we be punished for breaking and thats what it amounts to
for me
id say forign entrants have to do 4 rounds of the british championship to be eligable for their points to be counted to a msa championship
and a 30 point bonus which is equal to 1 round of racing
or revert to double points for the last round cause as it was at least the winner will deserve his 90 something points
Edited by Turbobird1 on Thursday 31st January 23:21
Turbobird1 said:
its not being disgused its me expressing an opinion and anyone dont like it go fk off....
no one exept roger SCORED more points,
and as i said it is what it is... but i think its st when 100 out of a total of under 300 is given as a bonus im not a bad looser to me 2nd place is first looser and i have no interest in that.. but i can see in the future it will deciede championships and thats wrong...
i can detune my stuff to run mid 30s at 220 and never break a thing but if i have to do that to get a bonus ill race in super pro and be done with it
when your aiming for big numbers stuff breaks, so should we be punished for breaking and thats what it amounts to
for me
id say forign entrants have to do 4 rounds of the british championship to be eligable for their points to be counted to a msa championship
and a 30 point bonus which is equal to 1 round of racing
or revert to double points for the last round cause as it was at least the winner will deserve his 90 something points
Fairy nuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you don't want to discuss it, then don't post it on a discussion forum? Like I said I fully agree with you that the 100 points seem too much and you should be rewarded for pushing the boundaries not playing it safe, however the rules are the rules, you all know them when you enter at the start of the year, so to say at the end of the year it's not fair that others ended up with more points than you is just wrong....,that's my opinion anyway..k off....no one exept roger SCORED more points,
and as i said it is what it is... but i think its s
t when 100 out of a total of under 300 is given as a bonus im not a bad looser to me 2nd place is first looser and i have no interest in that.. but i can see in the future it will deciede championships and thats wrong...i can detune my stuff to run mid 30s at 220 and never break a thing but if i have to do that to get a bonus ill race in super pro and be done with it
when your aiming for big numbers stuff breaks, so should we be punished for breaking and thats what it amounts to
for me
id say forign entrants have to do 4 rounds of the british championship to be eligable for their points to be counted to a msa championship
and a 30 point bonus which is equal to 1 round of racing
or revert to double points for the last round cause as it was at least the winner will deserve his 90 something points
Edited by Turbobird1 on Thursday 31st January 23:21
Like I said, good luck this year, I hope you have a great year and have lots of great runs, along with all the other pro mod drivers.
ill post what i want where i want and say what ever i feel like and if you have a problem with that report me to a moderator
what i said was not that its not fair and yes i know the deal befour i started
but what i said is that its not right that the present system allows this to happen and the only bloke who actuly beat me in competition was roger so the only bloke who truly deserves to be above me is roger and Ill stand by that
the old system was much fairer
its a forum and when slinky tells me to back off i will if other pm drivers want to comment then thats ok as it concernes them
lets put it this way i wont drive in a class where hard work and ragged edge performance seeking is punished that is not in the spirit of pro mod and thats what the deal is now
so with no changes i wont be there easter ill just test for the fia events
what i said was not that its not fair and yes i know the deal befour i started
but what i said is that its not right that the present system allows this to happen and the only bloke who actuly beat me in competition was roger so the only bloke who truly deserves to be above me is roger and Ill stand by that
the old system was much fairer
its a forum and when slinky tells me to back off i will if other pm drivers want to comment then thats ok as it concernes them
lets put it this way i wont drive in a class where hard work and ragged edge performance seeking is punished that is not in the spirit of pro mod and thats what the deal is now
so with no changes i wont be there easter ill just test for the fia events
Edited by Turbobird1 on Friday 1st February 07:50
Graham I think you need to read my post again, you're getting the wrong end of the stick. It's you that said its not being discussed, it's you're opinion, which is fine, but you've posted on a discussion forum an therefore we are discussing, I simply said if you didn't want to discuss it why post it on a forum?! I have no problem at all you posting on here and agree with you in the most part, and don't think you should stop. if you feel that you were better than most this year then looking at the numbers I'd have to agree with you, but the points system is the points system that everyone signed up to. If you're not happy with the current system then surely there's better ways of resolving it than posting on an open forum? I dunno that's your choice!
If you only what pm drivers to answer then fine, but why not express your concerns at the AGM or phone them all, or if you really feel the need then put in the thread title pm drivers only should look and answer to this...it's an open forum, of course others are going to answer
If you only what pm drivers to answer then fine, but why not express your concerns at the AGM or phone them all, or if you really feel the need then put in the thread title pm drivers only should look and answer to this...it's an open forum, of course others are going to answer
Edited by 37chevy on Friday 1st February 11:25
Graham,
I agree with you, it needs looking at, we need to see if the Championship regs for '13 have gone in because it's at this stage that the points system is written into the rules. I would suggest it's something we bring up in the Pro Mod drivers meeting but best we check the paperwork hasn't been submitted already.
I'll make some enquiries, give me a call if you have some specifics as to what you think it should be.
Spencer
I agree with you, it needs looking at, we need to see if the Championship regs for '13 have gone in because it's at this stage that the points system is written into the rules. I would suggest it's something we bring up in the Pro Mod drivers meeting but best we check the paperwork hasn't been submitted already.
I'll make some enquiries, give me a call if you have some specifics as to what you think it should be.
Spencer
37 chevy..... i already put my concernes to Robbin Jackson The MSA co ordinator and put it on the agenda and spoke to roger on the phone
i was hoping for comments /ideas/critisizm from the involved guys primarily as they are the guys spending big bucks
spencer a return to double points for the last round would be an improvement,
as i said the extra points would depend on how good you was on the day...
idealy the racers wouldnt need an incentive to race all rounds,
and i suspect with the current racers no incentive would be needed as the commitment made to a pro mod car itself should be the incentive to race
look at what the ndrs or edrs whatever its called have done!
no forign cometitors will get points towards the swedish championship....
i was hoping for comments /ideas/critisizm from the involved guys primarily as they are the guys spending big bucks
spencer a return to double points for the last round would be an improvement,
as i said the extra points would depend on how good you was on the day...
idealy the racers wouldnt need an incentive to race all rounds,
and i suspect with the current racers no incentive would be needed as the commitment made to a pro mod car itself should be the incentive to race
look at what the ndrs or edrs whatever its called have done!
no forign cometitors will get points towards the swedish championship....
Turbobird1 said:
no forign cometitors will get points towards the swedish championship....
I'm not sure that's the right approach either, though. If Jean Dulamon had won the championship this year, what would have been wrong with that? He turned up to the meetings and raced his car. For me, that should qualify him to acrue points and to be part of the championship. But at the same time, a competitor that just races at the two FIA events shouldn't be able to win the championship. Maybe something like double points for the non-FIA rounds and a smaller points bonus for competing at all the rounds?If i take Graham's stance then we were 3rd going into the final round.
We ended up 8th in the end because of the bonus system. I wish we could have made the last round,but just couldn't.
I knew going in that there was the 100 points bonus for all rounds completed, so for me it is how it is.
I think the double points for either the last meet,or the MSA meets is a good idea.
IF we have a meeting then i'm sure we can bring up these points, if as Spencer says the points haven't already been forwarded to the MSA.
We ended up 8th in the end because of the bonus system. I wish we could have made the last round,but just couldn't.
I knew going in that there was the 100 points bonus for all rounds completed, so for me it is how it is.
I think the double points for either the last meet,or the MSA meets is a good idea.
IF we have a meeting then i'm sure we can bring up these points, if as Spencer says the points haven't already been forwarded to the MSA.
Out and out performance doesn't guarantee a championship. Yes , it's a heads up class. So on paper the quickest car can be the ultimate winner.
However......
Some of the very reasons we all go racing is to challenge , the track , car , weather , ourselves , the team , our crew , and of course each other.
It's an on-going project , just when you think you have gained some performance , something else pulls you back , and that can be any of the above.
I don't expect to be beaten by cars that are quicker than mine or even slower , it's Drag Racing.....it's why we all do it. The points system is what it is , change it , you still don't win the championship.......then what ????
Just my thoughts guys , I don't expect any agreement.
See you at the start line...Wayne
However......
Some of the very reasons we all go racing is to challenge , the track , car , weather , ourselves , the team , our crew , and of course each other.
It's an on-going project , just when you think you have gained some performance , something else pulls you back , and that can be any of the above.
I don't expect to be beaten by cars that are quicker than mine or even slower , it's Drag Racing.....it's why we all do it. The points system is what it is , change it , you still don't win the championship.......then what ????
Just my thoughts guys , I don't expect any agreement.
See you at the start line...Wayne
So looking at how last year would have worked out with different points systems:
I went for a 50 point bonus because with the revised points, it equates to about 10% of the winner's points total, which seems enough to incentivize people to attend all rounds, without overwhelming the rest of the season's points.
Current system
| Driver | Points |
|---|---|
| Roger Moore | 419 |
| BA Racing | 295 |
| Kev Slyfield | 293 |
| Wayne Nicholson | 261 |
| Graham Ellis | 226 |
| Jean Dulamon | 220 |
| Bruno Bader | 196 |
| Andy Frost | 178 |
| David Vegter | 155 |
| Bery Ove Olofsson | 139 |
| Marcus Hilt | 117 |
| Michael Gullqvist | 111 |
| Steve Hall | 99 |
With double points for National Finals
| Driver | Points |
|---|---|
| Roger Moore | 376 |
| Kev Slyfield | 256 |
| BA Racing | 231 |
| Graham Ellis | 226 |
| Bruno Bader | 196 |
| Andy Frost | 178 |
| Wayne Nicholson | 171 |
| David Vegter | 155 |
| Jean Dulamon | 154 |
| Bery Ove Olofsson | 139 |
| Marcus Hilt | 117 |
| Michael Gullqvist | 111 |
| Steve Hall | 99 |
With double points for non-FIA meetings
| Driver | Points |
|---|---|
| Roger Moore | 514 |
| Graham Ellis | 326 |
| Kev Slyfield | 323 |
| BA Racing | 322 |
| Andy Frost | 291 |
| Wayne Nicholson | 238 |
| Jean Dulamon | 198 |
| Bruno Bader | 196 |
| Steve Hall | 166 |
| David Vegter | 155 |
| Marcus Hilt | 150 |
| Bery Ove Olofsson | 139 |
| Michael Gullqvist | 111 |
With double points for non-FIA meetings with 50 point all-round bonus
| Driver | Points |
|---|---|
| Roger Moore | 564 |
| Kev Slyfield | 373 |
| BA Racing | 372 |
| Graham Ellis | 326 |
| Andy Frost | 291 |
| Wayne Nicholson | 288 |
| Jean Dulamon | 248 |
| Bruno Bader | 196 |
| Steve Hall | 166 |
| David Vegter | 155 |
| Marcus Hilt | 150 |
| Bery Ove Olofsson | 139 |
| Michael Gullqvist | 111 |
I went for a 50 point bonus because with the revised points, it equates to about 10% of the winner's points total, which seems enough to incentivize people to attend all rounds, without overwhelming the rest of the season's points.
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