fastest single-make series?

[cybersdorf]

I'm not that familiar with the Tuscans, but I recently read somewhere that they are currently the fastest single-make series around, is this true? Are they really faster than the 996s and F360s?

[V8 Archie]

I believe so. Lap times are comparable with the top running British GT cars.

[HAWTHORNS LTD]

Top of the times for cars without ANY downforce and NO grip

The Radicals are quick, they could be very close on times and full GT's have an edge, as do F3's together with some of the British GT's, I don't think any of the cup class are there yet, but it won't be long if there not, mind you, I could be wrong about that

But,................ they all have downforce.

[V8 Archie]

HAWTHORNS LTD said:

Top of the times for cars without ANY downforce and NO grip The Radicals are quick, they could be very close on times and full GT's have an edge, as do F3's together with some of the British GT's, I don't think any of the cup class are there yet, but it won't be long if there not, mind you, I could be wrong about that But,................ they all have downforce.

Of course, GTs, F3s, British GTs and Cup class are not single make series .

[dhmotorsport]

Cyber, hiya. Havent spoken to you for ages, although thats probably because I haven't been lurking around the dsc board for a while.

As for evidence, pole for the TVRs at Thruxton was 1:17.035 and pole for the Carrera Cup (similar conditions, warm, sunny dry, though a strong headwind for the TVRs) was a 1:17.102. So much of a muchness really.
On further investigation...(all times in similar conditions)
Round Silverstone Int. the TVRs are doing 1:24.308 and the Porkers 1:25.022
Croft sees the Porkers on a 1:23.533 and TVRs on a 1:23.421 Which surprises me as I would have thought that as the tracks get twistier the grip, handling and traction of the 996 would overcome the gruntier (if thats a word) and lighter TVR.

Looks like British brawn wins out over teutonic engineering efficiency...just

As for 360's I am not sure, difficult to quantify unless anyone knows where these might race on the same tracks and have some times for them.

David

>> Edited by dhmotorsport on Tuesday 14th September 15:13

[cybersdorf]

ah yes, Teutonic efficiency...





Anyway, the "fastest one-make series" statement is from an article about one of our own young drivers who will be at Oulton for his first taste of Tuscan, I assume it'll be quite different to rallying a Suzuki Ignis... - you'll be kind to him won't you

[Graham]

dhmotorsport said:

As for 360's I am not sure, difficult to quantify unless anyone knows where these might race on the same tracks and have some times for them. David

on the test day at croft the v6 Tasmins were faster than most of the 360's running that day so i dont think they'd give a tuscan many problems

[dhmotorsport]

cybersdorf said:

ah yes, Teutonic efficiency...

Ummm...wasn't that caused by a coming together with said (current version of) British Brawn?

[griff2be]

In my first outing in No6 in a test day at Rockingham, I was overtaking the Porsche and Ferrari 360 GT Cup cars. Not because I was any good, but because the car is quicker.

Which is nice

>> Edited by griff2be on Tuesday 14th September 17:15

[jeremyc]

dhmotorsport said:

As for evidence, pole for the TVRs at Thruxton was 1:17.035 and pole for the Carrera Cup (similar conditions, warm, sunny dry, though a strong headwind for the TVRs) was a 1:17.102. So much of a muchness really. On further investigation...(all times in similar conditions) Round Silverstone Int. the TVRs are doing 1:24.308 and the Porkers 1:25.022 Croft sees the Porkers on a 1:23.533 and TVRs on a 1:23.421 Which surprises me as I would have thought that as the tracks get twistier the grip, handling and traction of the 996 would overcome the gruntier (if thats a word) and lighter TVR.

The Radical SR3s do Croft in 1:20.394 (about 3 seconds faster than the Tuscans ) so I suspect they are the fastest one make series.

Still British though.

[griff2be]

jeremyc said:

dhmotorsport said: As for evidence, pole for the TVRs at Thruxton was 1:17.035 and pole for the Carrera Cup (similar conditions, warm, sunny dry, though a strong headwind for the TVRs) was a 1:17.102. So much of a muchness really. On further investigation...(all times in similar conditions) Round Silverstone Int. the TVRs are doing 1:24.308 and the Porkers 1:25.022 Croft sees the Porkers on a 1:23.533 and TVRs on a 1:23.421 Which surprises me as I would have thought that as the tracks get twistier the grip, handling and traction of the 996 would overcome the gruntier (if thats a word) and lighter TVR. The Radical SR3s do Croft in 1:20.394 (about 3 seconds faster than the Tuscans ) so I suspect they are the fastest one make series. Still British though.

Who invited him?

[Tuscan 29]

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I said the Radicals were a bit quicker, but they are motorised frizbe's so don't count, Anyway they have more downforce then a plough.

[ratpit]

Some people have been known to try ploughing with a Tuscan though. "I'll name that gravel trap in one"
Looking at no body in particular.

[cybersdorf]

So the Tuscans are certainly well up there; which one make series was the fastest ever? The Jaguar XJR15s? Or IROC over in the U.S.?

(Stuff like F3000 doesn't count. )

[HarryW]

Given the age of the Tuscans it is a great credit to the orignal design for it to be able to hold its own against the modern Pork and Horse meat. Blimey its well over ten years down the line .

harry

[griff2be]

cybersdorf said:

So the Tuscans are certainly well up there; which one make series was the fastest ever? The Jaguar XJR15s? Or IROC over in the U.S.? (Stuff like F3000 doesn't count. )

I don't know. But I for one will continue to claim it is the Tuscans. Being an accountant I find it makes me marginally more interesting at dinner parties

[jamesc]

In 1996, we used to say the "most horsepower on the grid, more horsepower than a Grand Prix".

[dhmotorsport]

cybersdorf said:

So the Tuscans are certainly well up there; which one make series was the fastest ever? The Jaguar XJR15s? Or IROC over in the U.S.? (Stuff like F3000 doesn't count. )

I doubt that the XJR15s were very quick as they were apparently a bh to drive. I remember watching them at the BGP many years ago and I don't remember them striking me as particularily quick.

Aren't IROC cars just slightly modified road cars? If so then I doubt they are quicker. I may be wrong tho, not too sure about racing over the pond.

[cybersdorf]

dhmotorsport said:

I doubt that the XJR15s were very quick as they were apparently a bh to drive. I remember watching them at the BGP many years ago and I don't remember them striking me as particularily quick.

Hm, sounds like a good concept badly executed.

dhmotorsport said:

Aren't IROC cars just slightly modified road cars?

No, they are purpose-built "tubeframers". And of course, they run on ovals.
www.irocracing.com

>> Edited by cybersdorf on Wednesday 15th September 16:00

[griff2be]

Well there you go then. Conclusive proof that the Tuscan Challenge is the fastest one make series in the world*












* for proper cars with proper engines that have no downforce or grip but are able to turn right as well as left