Anyone know of a classic Mitsubishi specialist?
Anyone know of a classic Mitsubishi specialist?
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Phoenix30

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10 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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As the title really - does anyone know of a classic Mitsubishi specialist (UK or anywhere) who might be able to help with sourcing parts?

I'm fortunate to have a great source to keep my old Nissan Zed car on the road. Likewise when I've had Supra's of any age. Granted these have a much higher following than old Mitsubishi's! I just wondered if someone in a shed somewhere caters for the few remaining 1970/80's Mitsu/Chrysler's out there?

I'm well tuned into eBay but so far nothing has shown up besides service parts.

My car in question is a 1978 Mitsubishi Colt Sapporo....or what's left of it!


texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Hi,
I've got an 81 lancer turbo, and believe it or not parts are easier to come by now than before . eBay does offer alot of sources for parts, it's just a matter of searching. Bear in mind a lot of mechanical stuff is interchangeable between Sapporos, galants, ,celestes, starions and lancers. For example, ball joints for a starion fit the lancers , sapporos and galants, and a lot of stuff can be searched done by engine / build codes.

Brighton Mitsubishi are classic mitsi enthusiasts and the parts dept will do all they can to help. I believe they also have the early 80's micro fiches for parts search, and although it might be a 3 week order from Japan, you'll be surprised at what's still obtainable.

For panels, genuine parts are pretty much becoming scarce, so unless you can find a donor or good repair shop, you'll have problems. A few guys on the mlr are considering importing parts from places like the Philippines where lancers are still relatively common. Sapporos being a rare model anyway, perhaps you're best bet is main dealer.

Engine parts again are fairly easy to source, as like some of the mechanicals they're shared between models and even makes. Some Hyundai parts are interchangeable with colts, so it's not impossible to obtain the parts you need. To be honest your first stop should be joining an enthusiast club, like the nostalgic Japanese car forum for some pointers.

Hope that helps,
Cheers
Pete

Phoenix30

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10 posts

187 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Thank you very much for your reply Pete. On your advice I've just given Brighton Mitsu a call and the chap is off to check the micro-fich. I've no idea what a micro-fich is but fingers crossed - he sounded quite positive!

Brighton is fairly local fortunately. I did try my closest dealer but they couldn't help with the suspension parts I'm really struggling with. I have hit eBay and a handful of the forums out there catering for Jap classics but nothing yet. Unsurprisingly there's no dedicated Sapporo club so it's a case of mingling with the Galant / Colt / Sigma folks and seeing if anyone's got parts tucked away.

It's body panels and suspension I'm after. Basically anything that could rust on mine has! I've been told Australia can turn up a few parts so I've got a watch on their eBay.

Thank you again for the heads up. Good to know there's other enthusiasts out there and I'm not alone in my battle!


texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Hi,
No worries mate, glad to be able to help.

If it's stuff like Bushes etc you're after I found a company called "Superflex" were very helpful, to the point of offering to either supply or lathe out of a solid block of poly any bushes I needed, providing I could supply either dimentions or knackered originals.
Sapps have Mcpherson struts on the front if I recall, so again, look for Galant applications which might fit, to be honest though it's trial and error.

I'm not 100% sure but I've a feeling alot of the front suspension parts are fully interchangeable with Galants and Lancers. It might be worth having a look on the "MLR" (mitsubishi lancer register) and going into the "Ex2000" forum area. We're a pimple on the backside of the Evo lads on there, but within that small niche of the forum we're always eager to help out any classic colt owners, not just those with Lancer Turbo's.

Getting the Engine code will help alot. For example, the lancer is a 4G63T, the Starion also a 4G63T, so it stands to reason (and it does) that stuff like Water pumps etc are fully interchageable. 4G64's were in the 87-93 Sapporo's, the early 80's ones were esentially 2 door Galants so I'd wager that if yours is a 2.0 it might well have the early aspirated 4G63B which is the designation for the NA engines, but hopefully Brighton Mitsi will put you right on that. If it's an 8V SOHC with a Twin Carb affair then it might well be.

It's a bloody shame you need panels. They're a nightmare to obtain, and you will most likely have to source abroad unless you're very lucky. Japan and fleabay are really your best bet. If you manage to source any parts from the Philippines, give me a shout, we might be able to do a deal smile.

If you've got any pics, love to see 'em....








Edited by texaxile on Wednesday 23 January 14:15

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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I can't really help with regards to recommending a specialist, but I would echo what Pete said regarding interchangability of parts.

I've owned my Starion for around 6 years now and when bits and pieces have worn out it has normally taken a bit of internet digging but I've (so far) always managed to track suitable replacements down. I've generally used online breakers yards, contacts from the Starion owners club, and a couple of guys we know well who run our local Motorists' discount centre have also provided very useful contacts.

I've also found reconditioning to be a very useful (and often cheaper) solution for certain parts. A recent example of this was the radiator that had badly deteriorated (to my eyes beyond repair) and an aftermarket replacement was looking like $500 from the US yikes - I found a company via a local classic car collector who were based the other end of the country, but they collected it, rebuilt it (to as new condition) then shipped it back to me for around £180 all in.

The biggest problem is with bodywork parts. Which considering these cars often deteriorate faster than you can fix stuff, is a serious pain. Starion panels are extremely hard (or expensive) to come by, and I imagine it will be the same story for your Sapporo. My best advice would be try owners clubs etc, get talking to people and in my experience somebody always seems to know somebody who's dealt with someone who has a number for somebody who can help...

These often arn't Mitsubishi specialists, but often small one-man businesses who happen to have had experience with that particular car in the past etc.

I'm (sort of) lucky enough that my Starion is still my daily (and currently only) car, therefore any major body work is simply not feasible/worthwhile whilst it is still used in all weathers.

Good luck with it though, and if you ever get stumped for parts feel free to drop me a PM with specifics and if I know somebody who I think can help I'll put you in touch!

Oh, and yes pics of the Sapporo please biggrin

Phoenix30

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10 posts

187 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Pics you say...





Doesn't look so bad and then...



Eeeeekkk! And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

This Sapporo has spent many years sat outside on soft ground. Much of the rot has stemmed from some very poor repairs and an inch thick layer of underseal, which has done a fantastic job of trapping moisture and rotting it out even quicker. Where this hasn't been applied it's relatively tidy - bulkhead forward there's next to no rot at all.

Mechanically she runs well and should drive. I've not tried as my street is a slalom of expensive metal. I caused enough nuisance getting it running without an exhaust, so accidently parking it in the back of a neighbours BMW will probably get me booted out the estate!

I had heard much of the front end is interchangeable with a Starion (what I was actually looking for when I found this). I've not worked out if the rear shares its components with anything. In theory the Sigma and Galant should be similar, though some models received leaf spring setups opposed to radius arms/shocks. The Celeste certainly did.

I think you're right on the engine - 4G63B.

I've put a message up on the Sigma Galant forums to see if anyone in Aus can help with back suspension. This is what I'm predominately after at the moment - rear arms and the shock brackets. Any body panels would be nice but worst-comes-to-the-worst there's enough left I could get them made up. I don't have the budget for that at the moment.

Paul at Brighton Mits is on the case. He did hint not to get my hopes up.

Pete that is a VERY clean looking Lancer. Good job! Did you get it like that or have you restored it?

Squirrelofwoe have you a wide arch Starion?

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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That Lancer looks like new! yikes

And Phoenix, that looks like a cracking project you've got there! thumbup

Yes the Starion is a Widebody. It's a 2.0 Turbo with full leather interior, and a couple of engine mods (custom exhaust system, uprated intercooler etc).

The previous owner informed me that the custom exhaust was built with space for a silencer, but none of us have ever got around to fitting one so it's pretty damn loud. But it sounds great, and kind of suits the car in my opinion. I do get some looks on the morning commute!

The less said about it's fuel economy the better though...











My DC2 Integra Type-R is in the last pic, that was sold last April putting the Starion back into daily use.

Appologies for the photo-whoring!

texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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wow chaps, there's some lovely metal there. Thanks also for the compiments smile

nothing wrong with a bit of Photo whoring I say!!. Squirell, I know a bloke with some Wide body parts, if you get stuck give us a shout. Also, Dave Green at Henstead Motorsport in Beccles is the man in the know when it comes to sorting out any problems with these.
Not sure if you're aware but there is a forged piston application for the 4G63T Engine, I'm told that Zetec pistons will fit with some machining of the little end needing to be done.Also, on mine I've ditched the IHI Mitsi unit and put a T-04B Garrett hybrid on there by way of an Adaptor plate, intercooled it etc and turned the ECI.





I've had that Lancer since 2000, currently undergoing a front end rebuild with poly bushes etc. apart from the cracked windscreen (grrr) she is in pretty good shape, fully undersealed and well cared for. There is the odd rust bubble coming through, but the body is fine. If, however you want to do a search for my other lancer in the "classics left to die" thread around page 58, you'll see what a few years of neglect can do frown

The Sapp has a fair bit of work ahead of her. Sadly the Metal Colt used back in the day was st and I've seen and scrapped enough old Lancers to know what a huge undertaking it is for a resto on a rusted out one can be.
On the plus side, Sapps are still occasionally available and commanding reasonable prices. there was also a spares / repairs Galant Turbo on fleabay a while back. Lancer prices have gone silly. They're fetching upwards of 5 grand now for a roadworthy one, and not much less for a snotter.
It's a shame that the rear of the Sapp is springs, as there is a method of repairs used on Galants & Lancers involving Mark 2 Escort rear turrets for where the strut mounts used to rust out.

If I see or hear of any going locally I'll give you a shout!.


Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Cheers for the info! As it happens it's currently in the garage as we speak- the alternator died on the way to work in the snow yesterday morning, and I simply don't have the time to fix it myself at the mo (being an accountant in January!), so they are going to have a look and see if they can track a replacement down for me...

Old cars eh, who'd have 'em! (Or at least run them as daily drivers in all weathers!)

hehe

That Lancer does look a beauty though. I bought a power steering pump from chap not too far from me (a Starion owners club member), who had a Starion (cosmetically identical to mine) on his drive fitted with a TVR engine- I think he said it rather unfortunately lunched the gearbox whilst being rolling roaded shortly after the conversion was completed, so it wasn't running but I can only imagine that would be a LOT of smiles!...

texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLUE-PRINT-alternator-ge...

£66 quid delivered. Fits a Sapporo too smile

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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texaxile said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLUE-PRINT-alternator-ge...

£66 quid delivered. Fits a Sapporo too smile
Cheers! thumbup

Got that favourited, at least that looks a lot less hassle than I was anticipating!

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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texaxile said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLUE-PRINT-alternator-ge...

£66 quid delivered. Fits a Sapporo too smile
Have you had any experience of 'Blue Print'? I'm not an ebay user and their site doesn't exactly fill me with confidence... Not least the fact there are a couple of other companies that appear to have the exact same website (looks like a copy an paste job of the page) just with a different name etc, and it seems suspiciously cheap when all other suppliers seem to be at least £100+ with delivery on top... scratchchin

Think i'll pass for the time being!

texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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Hi,
I've used stuff like Oil filters and Cam belts before from them (although I think the seller is a middle man rather than the official outlet). I've actually got a Blueprint oil filter on the Lancer now. Although it's impossible to really tell any difference between that and an OEM one (apart from the price).

there's alot of remade stuff hitting the shelves these days. I've literally just finished having new lower Ball joints, lower arms and TCA bushes fitted, all of which were pattern parts from fleabay, but as mines not a daily driver and the mileage mega low, it doesn't really matter too much to me.

I guess the other alternative is genuine part or recon.

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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texaxile said:
Hi,
I've used stuff like Oil filters and Cam belts before from them (although I think the seller is a middle man rather than the official outlet). I've actually got a Blueprint oil filter on the Lancer now. Although it's impossible to really tell any difference between that and an OEM one (apart from the price).

there's alot of remade stuff hitting the shelves these days. I've literally just finished having new lower Ball joints, lower arms and TCA bushes fitted, all of which were pattern parts from fleabay, but as mines not a daily driver and the mileage mega low, it doesn't really matter too much to me.

I guess the other alternative is genuine part or recon.
Ah yeah that makes sense, I might consider trying them then. Cheers for the info.

The garage phoned me back to say they've had trade-price quotes varying from £160 to £240 (just for an alternator itself!), but they are still waiting to hear back from 2 other places- and this is a top garage that I know don't take the piss- so I guess they must be genuine parts rather than recon or pattern.

I did find one on Mitsubishi Car Parts for just over £100 including delivery, and I have used them before with no problems so it might end up being a case of me supplying the part and just get them to fit it.

texaxile

3,528 posts

168 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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sounds like a plan.

There's a G plate widebody on Ebay for nearly 4 grand!. If I had the cash.......Couple of interior lancer pics, it's a wee bit grubby at the mo but too bloody cold to start valeting ! :





Any pics of the interior of the Starion / Sapporo chaps?.

Cheers
Pete

Squirrelofwoe

3,223 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th January 2013
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That looks fantastic! Proper 80s retro.

I'll see if I have any interior pics kicking around- it's pretty awesome inside with the full black leather, including leather-trimmed door cards, arm-rest, dashboard etc. Oh and a wonderful black carpet-like roof lining!

Unfortunately it currently looks like the interior of a car that is being used every day! But under the dust is a rather decent interior... hehe

When it gets back from the garage ill give it a clean up and get some shots.

Phoenix30

Original Poster:

10 posts

187 months

Saturday 26th January 2013
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Blueprint are big Japanese manufacturer. You shouldn't have any trouble with their stuff. Everything that went into my Mitsubishi's engine was Blueprint. Some of it's old stock - though to be fair much of these bits and bobs are long out of production anyway. My sets of points were 'new' from the same supplier and dated 1988 smile

The interior of the Sapp is a bit manky but it's very 'period':





I've stripped it out now and those back seats aren't just foam like today's cars - they're properly sprung like a mattress. Unrivalled comfort!

Yes - Starion interior shots please! smile Show me what I'm missing. Next time one pops up on eBay I'm going to win, not come in second like before. It's always the way - you see a car and think "yeah I'll stick £500 on that", goes for £600 and you're not that bothered. Couple of days later it's re-listed and sells for £400. Something comes up that's suddenly more important than your next breath, you lose sleep over it, the man maths is in over drive and you bid wildly, lose by £50 and it never ever ever springs up in the digital world again. So frustrating!

Sapporo144v

1 posts

151 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Hi peonix30

Just looking at the pictures of your great old sapporo and couldn't help but get in touch

I'm new to the whole forum thing so you might have to bear with me

I have been into mitsubishi sapporos all my life and have had a few of each mk's over the years 1/2 and 3 but my first love is my 1979 mk'1 sapporo that I have now had for over twenty years and was my first car at 17.

Parts supply on the mk1 is very hard going and you will find body panels almost impossible to source now and it will be a case of repairing the ones that you have (even if they are bad),The mk1 and mk2 share a lot of body panels like doors bonnet and a few other bits,

There are a couple of hardcore anorak's out there like myself that I keep in touch with,and if you decide to go ahead with the restoration I can give you some of there details,They are clinging onto whatever parts they have got now for there own cars as am I, but between us we maybe able to help you.

As other people have said the sapporo did share a lot of mechanical parts with other mitsubishis and things like brake calipers are the same as a 70's celica

You would be very brave to take on the sapporo but it would be a very rare car when it's done and I would love to see it back on the road,There is only thought to be around 10 mk1 sapporos on the road in the UK now

Your not on your own and us sapporo owners have got to stick together.

Hope this helps (sapporo144v)


refoman2

266 posts

209 months

Sunday 17th March 2013
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you will be surprised at what Mitzi dealers can still get,ive just ordered a new exhaust manifold for my starion,in stock in Cirencester as well and half the price it was 6 years ago when i last bought one!

Chris-ks6d6

1 posts

Wednesday 8th October
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Hi everyone. I wonder if anyone of you are still around from 12 years ago. I have a 78 Sapporo and have a couple of issues regarding finding parts, I wonder if any of you kind folk are still here to help?