Is it easy to fill in a tax return?
Is it easy to fill in a tax return?
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Steve vRS

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271 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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With the forthcoming changes to the Child Benefit system, I will qualify for a part payment and think that the best way to go about this is to fill in a tax return. So, how hard is it? I am on PAYE and have no other income (all savings in ISAs). Is ti worth the hassle?

Thanks

Steve

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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If you just have to put on PAYE and no other income - it really couldn't be simpler.

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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raptor600 said:
If you just have to put on PAYE and no other income - it really couldn't be simpler.
Not always. PAYE earners can have quirks and traps that they might want to watch out for - usually to do with complications to their PAYE tax coding - such as

benefit in kind details
declaration of expense payments received already returned on P11ds
collection of PAYE tax arrears through the PAYE coding system
claims for pension contributions
claims for charity contributions

sumo69

2,164 posts

250 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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...and the best of all : Share Schemes.

Likely to be 500k new tax returns needed from 2012/13 as the new clawback rules kick in for earners > £50k.

David

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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And that's work I don't necessarilly want.

Deva Link

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275 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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If your affairs are straightforward and you've got your P11D, if appropriate, and P60 in front of you then it takes about 10 mins.

Keep a note of the figures you input.

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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People who are concerned about losing their child allowance may want to consider some form of legitimate means to enable them to declare reduced gross income. This is particularly relevant to those who are at or just above the £50,000 threshold.

Zigster

2,004 posts

174 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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Deva Link said:
If your affairs are straightforward and you've got your P11D, if appropriate, and P60 in front of you then it takes about 10 mins.

Keep a note of the figures you input.
Agreed. Although 10 mins feels optimistic I certainly take less than 1 hour including digging out the paperwork - P60, P11D, interest on bank accounts (minimal but I like to be thorough), gift aid donations through the year, log in details for HMRC. And doing a rough check on the end result to make sure the extra HMRC is demanding from me is about right.

sumo69

2,164 posts

250 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
People who are concerned about losing their child allowance may want to consider some form of legitimate means to enable them to declare reduced gross income. This is particularly relevant to those who are at or just above the £50,000 threshold.
Such as increasing pension and charitable contributions being the most common.

David

Deva Link

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275 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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Zigster said:
Agreed. Although 10 mins feels optimistic I certainly take less than 1 hour including digging out the paperwork - P60, P11D, interest on bank accounts (minimal but I like to be thorough), gift aid donations through the year, log in details for HMRC. And doing a rough check on the end result to make sure the extra HMRC is demanding from me is about right.
I did mine on paper the other day. The OP says he's on PAYE with no other income (same as me, except mine is split salary and dividends) and his saving are in ISAs (same as me, everything else belongs to my wife). I have pruvate medical cover, and put in an amount for gift aid.

So I only have 5 boxes to fill in - salary, tax, dividend, medical and gift aid. I always hesitate on the dividend as you used to have to gross it up, but you don't even have to do that now.

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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It CAN be simple for some people - usually Higher Rate Tax payers who receive the bulk of their income through PAYE.

However, those who submit their own returns on-line or on paper (before today)are essentially relying on HMRC to get it right at their end.

And, as I said earlier, sometimes there can be odd-ball issues with PAYE codings which have strange consequences for self assessment tax calculations - and people may not be aware of these effects.

The classic example is when the tax coding for the year covered by the self assessment tax return was adjusted in order to collect tax arrears from an earlier tax year. This arrears of tax for the earlier year MUST be separately disclosed on the self assessment return because otherwise, the tax return will be incorrectly stating that all the PAYE deducted IN the tax return year stands to be credited against the overall tax liability for the tax return year.

I've seen that situation badly handled so many times.

N Dentressangle

3,453 posts

252 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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As Eric says, it can be straightforward, but there are sometimes questions you won't know the answer to if you haven't filled one in before.

I found HMRC helpline quite good, but ultimately felt safer letting an accountant do the job.

Deva Link

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275 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
The classic example is when the tax coding for the year covered by the self assessment tax return was adjusted in order to collect tax arrears from an earlier tax year. This arrears of tax for the earlier year MUST be separately disclosed on the self assessment return because otherwise, the tax return will be incorrectly stating that all the PAYE deducted IN the tax return year stands to be credited against the overall tax liability for the tax return year.
Actually, I do have that (due to the extra tax required on the dividends once over the threashold) but it's never bothered me as the statements catch up with themselves eventually, and there's no penalty amount involved. So I'll be paying last year's extra tax from next year's pay.

But, again, most employees on PAYE wouldn't have that to contend with anyway.

Burrow01

1,986 posts

222 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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I've been using software called TaxCalc (about £27) to do my Tax Return since 2009

Have a mix of PAYE, Dividend and pension income, but its pretty easy to enter the data

If you have the relevant documentation - P60's, Dividend statements etc its all straightforward and manages the submission to HMRC for you

I get the output file checked by my accountant and they have not highlighted any issues with the calculations etc yet

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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The danger is that some may have such an issue and not recognise it.

Steve vRS

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271 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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Does the IR modify your tax code after you make your submission to either claw back or refund tax?

I am on PAYE but have a crap tax code due to a company car!

Steve

Eric Mc

125,763 posts

295 months

Wednesday 31st October 2012
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There is an option on every self assessment tax return where the taxpayer can instruct HMRC to collect tax arrears through a PAYE coding adjustment. This is also an option for tax refunds that may be repayable to a taxpayer.
It is a "tick box" which, if ignored, should mean that HMRC expects the taxpayer to pay the arrears directly (or accept a tax refund directly).

My preference is to leave the box unticked so that clients' tax coding are kept as simple as possible.

If the amount of tax arrears exceeds £3,000 (was £2,000 up until teh end of tax year 2011/12), then the Tax Coding adjustment option cannot be exercised.

sumo69

2,164 posts

250 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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The option to code out current year underpayments up to £3k can only be used if your return is submitted by 30 December.

David

Eric Mc

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295 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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As well - as HMRC need advanced warning in order to get the next year's tax codings sorted in time before they start issuing them.