How much 'slower' is. . . . .
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. . . . . A 997 GT3 Comfort than a 997 turbo (manual gearbox) in 'real day to day driving' terms?
I've always thought my first 911 would be a turbo, however I'm now finding myself looking increasingly at GT3 Comfort's.
A nice dilemma to have but was hoping someone could enlighten me about which way to go.
I've always thought my first 911 would be a turbo, however I'm now finding myself looking increasingly at GT3 Comfort's.
A nice dilemma to have but was hoping someone could enlighten me about which way to go.
Edited by CycleSi on Tuesday 30th October 12:14
tty road surfaces with pot holes etc and speed bumps.Thank you all for your feedback. They are obviously both very capable machines and yes, agreed, it is more about the driver's ability than anything.
Perhaps what I should have said is would I simply regret it if I didn't go for a turbo? I already have a dedicated track car so it would be a fast road car to complement my RR Sport.
Perhaps what I should have said is would I simply regret it if I didn't go for a turbo? I already have a dedicated track car so it would be a fast road car to complement my RR Sport.
I'd suggest that you don't concern yourself with which is theoretically faster and concentrate on which you'd enjoy more. Some of my most memorable road drives have been in a '7.1rs and in that car I've also done trips away that include a lot of general plodding mileage and it's been no trouble or hardship at all. I've also driven a'7.1 non rs and found that superb as a daily road car too. in my opinion these cars are more fun for more of the time than the turbo, even when going slow and stuck in traffic, you'll still feel like your in something special.
having driven the 7.1 RS, the 7.1 turbo and the 7.2 turbo s, i would still always choose the RS.
yes it will be less comfortable day to day, but i think its worth it for the amount of fun you'll have, plus if you are looking at a comfort gt3 i guess the practicality side doesn't even need to come into consideration.
yes it will be less comfortable day to day, but i think its worth it for the amount of fun you'll have, plus if you are looking at a comfort gt3 i guess the practicality side doesn't even need to come into consideration.
I originally wanted a Turbo, as I thought I would always long for the extra grunt.
However, I drove a GT3 recently and its absolutely outstanding. Its electric! The Turbo didnt excite me nearly as much. Although I think day-to-day, the Turbo would be quicker, I know I would be smiling more in the GT3.
I found the GT3 clutch very heavy and not sure it would be a great everyday car (which I am after)
However, I drove a GT3 recently and its absolutely outstanding. Its electric! The Turbo didnt excite me nearly as much. Although I think day-to-day, the Turbo would be quicker, I know I would be smiling more in the GT3.
I found the GT3 clutch very heavy and not sure it would be a great everyday car (which I am after)
a lot slower
has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
mrdemon said:
a lot slower
has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
Sounds like a shorter-ratio diff could be a 'very good thing' in a GT3 for road use. IIRC, Gert Carnewal sells them for both 996 and 997 for about £1500. I imagine installation costs would be substantial though. Maybe Mike from S&C could comment?has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
3black said:
no way i believe that, you're saying a c2s is faster in a straight line to 70?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv2GuDm_RXEOK it's a rolling start, but the GT3 (a 997.1 RS in this instance) only starts to pull away from about 100mph onwards.
Edited by Ian_UK1 on Tuesday 30th October 09:35
mrdemon said:
a lot slower
has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
Rubbish! has nothing to do with driver skill and all that crap but everything to do with torque and gear ratio's
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
all depends on the roads though, but you stated day to day so the Turbo wins hands down.
My Spyder is quicker than a 997 GT3 for road speeds so is a power pack normal 997 C2S all in gear times are slower in the GT3 untill higher speeds.
GT3 is a track car and that's where it shines. on the raods a 997 C2s will win the traphic light GP and is a quicker car upto the legal limit of 70mph.
The turbo is in another league with the torque to hand and you not see where it went.
You just have to use the gears, so quite often for a "quick" overtake on A roads, I might have to drop it into 2nd (rather than 3rd) - but that's it! Oh and since when was "revving the nuts off it" some sort of hardship?? I used to own a tweaked C2S and I've had a "joust" with a mate in his 997C4S PDK (with 7, shorter gears) and yes it's not night and day - but once rolling and into 3rd gear the GT3 just pulls away ....
BHP per ton figures:
Boxster Spyder: 247
GT3 Gen 1: 298
GT3 Gen 2: 312
C4S Gen 2: 243
C2S Gen 1: 247
997 Turbo Gen 1: 306
997 Turbo Gen 2: 316
mrdemon said:
day to day road gaps are small and turbo cars pull like a train to make the most of the small gaps
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
A GT3 needs to have it nuts reved off and by that time you are going to fast and the moment has gone.
The GT3 with its superior handling, brakes and throttle response is more suited surgical overtaking maneuvers.
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