HMS Conquerer Top Secret Mission details revealed.
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Sounds very interesting and extremely ballsy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/960...
Shame some of those writing comments are utterly clueless about stuff, but still feel the need to post complete b
ks! 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/960...
Shame some of those writing comments are utterly clueless about stuff, but still feel the need to post complete b
ks! Wreford-Brown is on record that he considered his most significant achievement whilst commanding Conqueror wasn't sinking Belgrano but something secret in the Barents Sea later in 1982 - but I hadn't heard the details before.
I'd never put 2 and 2 together before as to why that might be why Conuqeror's log was "missing" for the various Belgrano enquiries.
Read "Blind Man's Bluff" for a glimpse into cold war submarine espionage.
I'd never put 2 and 2 together before as to why that might be why Conuqeror's log was "missing" for the various Belgrano enquiries.
Read "Blind Man's Bluff" for a glimpse into cold war submarine espionage.
Interesting article.
Red November is well worth a read for similar subject material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-November-U-S--Soviet-S...
Red November is well worth a read for similar subject material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-November-U-S--Soviet-S...
tenohfive said:
Interesting article.
Red November is well worth a read for similar subject material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-November-U-S--Soviet-S...
Will do, thank you. Red November is well worth a read for similar subject material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-November-U-S--Soviet-S...
A mate who swapped careers from submarine weapons officer to a place with a much better view of the world recounts creeping close up behind a Russian sub which was taking diabolical liberties with the UK 12 mile limit, not a huge distance from Glasgow.
They lit up the Russian boat with a weapon sonar - the sonar in the nose of a torpedo in a flooded tube - which apparently sounds like the end of the world when you're at the business end of it from short range. Monumental trouser accident on the part of the Russians, huge amount of reactor noise, cavitation, noise-makers and off they buggered.
They lit up the Russian boat with a weapon sonar - the sonar in the nose of a torpedo in a flooded tube - which apparently sounds like the end of the world when you're at the business end of it from short range. Monumental trouser accident on the part of the Russians, huge amount of reactor noise, cavitation, noise-makers and off they buggered.
My old CO Sir Tim, Executive Officer of the Conqueror at the time and truly one of the greats. Nuts the size of melons, gravitas, wit, charm and ruthless. He alluded to this story once (minus the pincers) along with other arse clenching tales of playing with Russians that I really hope get published one day - his biog would be an incredible read.
I was told about that by a retired USN sub captain a couple of years ago - I posted a bit about it on here although didn't divulge any details. He said that W-B had been chosen because only he was considered mad enough to agree to it.
The pincers were made from the same bronze that fishing trawlers propellers are made of, so that the Soviets when they examined the end of their cut cable would see bronze residue.
But, it was not a towed sonar array that they wanted to nab, it was something else entirely.
The pincers were made from the same bronze that fishing trawlers propellers are made of, so that the Soviets when they examined the end of their cut cable would see bronze residue.
But, it was not a towed sonar array that they wanted to nab, it was something else entirely.
Edited by Ayahuasca on Friday 12th October 19:14
A few things do sound a little bit odd about the story tbh!
Like, what's the point in having a submarine detection array, on which you can "sneak up on" in er, a submarine. Ok, the "shallow water bit" might help (hide in the path of the towing vessel in the background scatter, then pop up when directly under the tow-er and nab the array before it spots you etc)
What other stuff do you need to drag along behind a boat? Anything that operates at very long wavelengths (low frequencies) has to be a prime consideration, hence you can't fit the system actually on a boat because of it's physical length.
I could also imagine all sorts of things you might want to nab that might end up on a rope behind a boat! From recovered spy satellite film re-entry buckets to undersea cable tapping/recording devices etc ;-)
Like, what's the point in having a submarine detection array, on which you can "sneak up on" in er, a submarine. Ok, the "shallow water bit" might help (hide in the path of the towing vessel in the background scatter, then pop up when directly under the tow-er and nab the array before it spots you etc)
What other stuff do you need to drag along behind a boat? Anything that operates at very long wavelengths (low frequencies) has to be a prime consideration, hence you can't fit the system actually on a boat because of it's physical length.
I could also imagine all sorts of things you might want to nab that might end up on a rope behind a boat! From recovered spy satellite film re-entry buckets to undersea cable tapping/recording devices etc ;-)
Max_Torque said:
A few things do sound a little bit odd about the story tbh!
Like, what's the point in having a submarine detection array, on which you can "sneak up on" in er, a submarine. Ok, the "shallow water bit" might help (hide in the path of the towing vessel in the background scatter, then pop up when directly under the tow-er and nab the array before it spots you etc)
What other stuff do you need to drag along behind a boat? Anything that operates at very long wavelengths (low frequencies) has to be a prime consideration, hence you can't fit the system actually on a boat because of it's physical length.
I could also imagine all sorts of things you might want to nab that might end up on a rope behind a boat! From recovered spy satellite film re-entry buckets to undersea cable tapping/recording devices etc ;-)
I've already been informed by someone in the know (like they were a nuke-submariner around this time) that this is likely a load of bLike, what's the point in having a submarine detection array, on which you can "sneak up on" in er, a submarine. Ok, the "shallow water bit" might help (hide in the path of the towing vessel in the background scatter, then pop up when directly under the tow-er and nab the array before it spots you etc)
What other stuff do you need to drag along behind a boat? Anything that operates at very long wavelengths (low frequencies) has to be a prime consideration, hence you can't fit the system actually on a boat because of it's physical length.
I could also imagine all sorts of things you might want to nab that might end up on a rope behind a boat! From recovered spy satellite film re-entry buckets to undersea cable tapping/recording devices etc ;-)
ks. edit: the original story, not your comments.
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