Why is F1 so crap?
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I just watched the Hungarian GP and have to say I have had more fun watching paint dry,come on Bernie & co do something to save F1 because its becoming so bad.Second rant; why doesent shuey really prove himsely be driving with a lesser team I'm not saying he should join Minardi he should have some chance but I reckon he could do it in a Toyota or Jaguar then he would get some real respect,remember Damon Hill at Hungary in the Arrows after driving for a big team,he nearly won the bloody GP but for mechanical failure on the last lap that placed him second,good on him.
Paul
Paul
Our man Button reckons if Schuey wasn't with Ferrari he wouldn't be winning all the time.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Anyway...
They need to bin a load of the technology (especially the traction control!) and get back to the fundamentals of racing, but then that's obvious. I'd like to see F1 cars with three pedals again actually!
All this pit stop/fuel strategy stuff bores the hell out of me. A dodgy fuel pump at Ferrari could have potentially screwed the whole race for Michael... A dodgy fuel pump for crying out loud! I mean, you could understand if his brakes were fading, but a dodgy fuel pump shouldn't be an issue that could turn a whole race.
>> Edited by DanBoy on Sunday 15th August 16:00
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Anyway...
They need to bin a load of the technology (especially the traction control!) and get back to the fundamentals of racing, but then that's obvious. I'd like to see F1 cars with three pedals again actually!
All this pit stop/fuel strategy stuff bores the hell out of me. A dodgy fuel pump at Ferrari could have potentially screwed the whole race for Michael... A dodgy fuel pump for crying out loud! I mean, you could understand if his brakes were fading, but a dodgy fuel pump shouldn't be an issue that could turn a whole race.
>> Edited by DanBoy on Sunday 15th August 16:00
actionbird said:
why doesent shuey really prove himsely be driving with a lesser team
That's exactly what he did back in 1996. Anyone who remembers how godawful Ferrari was during the first half of the '90s and seen how Schuey and Todt managed to build a superb team out of the ongoing soap opera that the Scuderia was, would have nothing but repsect for the key players.
There's been several very talented drivers since that got pretty much the same chance to forge a winning team around them (JV at BAR comes to mind), but for some reason did not have the total dedication needed, or let their ego get in the way. That's why Schuey beats the living daylights out of everyone else this season, right until someone decides to take up the gauntlet in the same way.
And no, defecting to Williams from a promising team effort that's virtually built around you does not count as an especially shrewd master plan to be World Champion in 2005
. 900T-R said:
And no, defecting to Williams from a promising team effort that's virtually built around you does not count as an especially shrewd master plan to be World Champion in 2005
Well said!
Plus, who wants an M5 when you could have a Honda NSX? And a bright yellow one at that!
Tedious.
Berger says an F1 driver only needs one skill these days and that is finding the braking point, the electronics do everything else. You can see when the teams give trials to racers from lesser formulae, they very quickly post competetive times. This means F1 drivers are not very special anymore, except Schumaker. In the days of Prost, Piquet, Senna and Mansell there was a lot more skill around and the technical standards allowed it to be used.
Personally I would be delighted if F1 folded. Bernie has destroyed a once great sport. It is just a vehicle for the global tobacco industry to bypass advertising bans and attract new victims for their deadly drug.
Berger says an F1 driver only needs one skill these days and that is finding the braking point, the electronics do everything else. You can see when the teams give trials to racers from lesser formulae, they very quickly post competetive times. This means F1 drivers are not very special anymore, except Schumaker. In the days of Prost, Piquet, Senna and Mansell there was a lot more skill around and the technical standards allowed it to be used.
Personally I would be delighted if F1 folded. Bernie has destroyed a once great sport. It is just a vehicle for the global tobacco industry to bypass advertising bans and attract new victims for their deadly drug.
Just a thought on one way that might help F1 out, although would never happen. In fact I'm not even sure if it would work. Anyway, how about making every car carry a large amount of ballast, say 500kg, but don't force a minimum weight of the car. Therefore, if the hype is to be believed and the Ferrari weighs 450kg then it would weigh 950kg. This might encourage the cars to be a bit looser, or at least make driving tallent a little more important than it is now. Maybe even, shock, horror, overtaking might return!! Like I say, just a thought...
GetCarter said:
Car tech has overcome circuits. They really need to take some tips from BTCC.
Shuie in a Lada (with Ferrari pit team) would probably still find a way to win. He's such a talented g*t.
My tip... watch BTCC!
>> Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 15th August 15:53
Yes, actually, if it took the exact same format as the BTCC it would be worth watching:
-Qualifying unchanged on Saturday
-short race in qualifying order
-short race, reverse grid
-Long race, aggregate positions
Either that and/or the cars should be absolutely identical. The measure of the constructor would be in its reliability.
Well, even Bernie Ecclestone's getting pissed off with Michael Schumacher. I remember a pit-lane interview where he intoned, angrily, 'pension him off!'
Every time I watch F1 I think how incredibly varied and competetive it would be without him there. Look at 2nd, 3rd and 4th - what variations! He's just stifling the sport. Even the Germans can't be bothered watching him any more.
My Dad has a theory - he'll either come back next year, win every single race and become utterly unemployable (too expensive to the sport as a whole), or he'll slowly begin to lose his nerve.
Every time I watch F1 I think how incredibly varied and competetive it would be without him there. Look at 2nd, 3rd and 4th - what variations! He's just stifling the sport. Even the Germans can't be bothered watching him any more.
My Dad has a theory - he'll either come back next year, win every single race and become utterly unemployable (too expensive to the sport as a whole), or he'll slowly begin to lose his nerve.
The answer must be taking a step backwards for the sport,as somebody suggested go back to three pedals and manual gearchanges, I love watching the old F1 footage on motors Tv those guys were real racers who put there life on the line at every race.I remember a race back in the 70 or 80's where the last lap was wheel bashing stuff the drivers who's names I cant remember must have swopped the lead 5 times on the last lap and I believe one of them was a ferrari..honest,also anyone remember Senna and Mansell's tussel at Monaco in the 80's towards the end of the race.. bloody good stuff.
OK so shueys very good but how would he have faired in the heyday of F1 without the gadgets?
Paul
OK so shueys very good but how would he have faired in the heyday of F1 without the gadgets?
Paul
actionbird said:
The answer must be taking a step backwards for the sport,as somebody suggested go back to three pedals and manual gearchanges, I love watching the old F1 footage on motors Tv those guys were real racers who put there life on the line at every race.I remember a race back in the 70 or 80's where the last lap was wheel bashing stuff the drivers who's names I cant remember must have swopped the lead 5 times on the last lap and I believe one of them was a ferrari..honest,also anyone remember Senna and Mansell's tussel at Monaco in the 80's towards the end of the race.. bloody good stuff.
OK so shueys very good but how would he have faired in the heyday of F1 without the gadgets?
Paul
Probably quite well - he's one of the only drivers on the grid with experience of them, after all.
I'd like to see F1 just being made the fastest evolution of the 'formula' series, ie after Formula Ford, F5000, F3 etc. All the cars are the same, very aerodynamic open-wheel racers with engines of the same capacity, power and rev limit. Tyres as is, aerodynamics up to the teams, so we could see a return to things like ground effect and dual chassis.
As I see it I have no idea why the Ferraris are racing in the same league as the Minardis. It should be a test of the driver - leave the pioneering technology and engines to LeMans. In fact, now we've got the LeMans series back it'll be like the Group C WSC in the '80s. With 'even' F1 cars, all we need now is Group B rallying back
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