Let's talk chains................
Let's talk chains................
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MadDad

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3,835 posts

290 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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I am running a full Shimano 105 drivetrain on a 2010 Felt F75 and on inspecting the chain last night think it’s probably a good idea to replace it before it goes ping 40 miles from home!

I have always used KMC chains on my MTB’s and would like to fit one to this bike, but am not totally sure which one is compatible with the 105 groupset. I believe the Shimano chain is ‘super narrow’ (5.88mm wide) according to the marketing blurb, and seems to be 116 links. KMC sell a couple of chains that are 5.88mm wide but are only 112 links – will this work?

I could replace the chain ‘like for like’ but would like the ability to remove the chain for cleaning which is a simple task with the KMC missing link system.

Answers on a postcard.......

Rouleur

7,416 posts

218 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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This is what you need, and I doubt anyone will sell them cheaper than this http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/K...

Don't worry about the number of links, you'll be taking a load out anyway.

CoolC

4,500 posts

243 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Rouleur said:
This is what you need, and I doubt anyone will sell them cheaper than this http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/K...

Don't worry about the number of links, you'll be taking a load out anyway.
That's a good price from Ribble, but at 6.2mm is too wide (I don't know if this dimension actually makes any difference)

This one from Parker is only a couple of quid more but 5.88mm in width. http://www.parker-international.co.uk/10573/KMC-X1...

ETA: Or there is the el cheepo version here: http://www.parker-international.co.uk/19087/KMC-X1... I'm pretty sure I have this chain on my MTB



Edited by CoolC on Thursday 12th July 11:37

MadDad

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290 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Thanks for the pointers chaps. I have ordered a X10-L, the only concern I have is that its 112 links v 116 on the Shimano chain.

X10.93 was 6.12 wide, but the Shimano spec is 5.88 - which is the same width as the X10-L. Would have gone for the X10.93 but have a slight concern that it might be too wide to work well with the cassette etc......

Jimbo.

4,219 posts

218 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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IIRC KMC make Shimano's chains. Not that it matters. Any 10sp chain from, say, SRAM, Shimano or KMC should work.

If the new chain is four links shorter than your current chain as fitted, then that may be an issue: 4 links is a lot.

shalmaneser

6,429 posts

224 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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definitely get a Shimano chain for 10 speed. they need to be assymetrical which I don't think the KMC ones are.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

227 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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MadDad said:
I am running a full Shimano 105 drivetrain on a 2010 Felt F75 and on inspecting the chain last night think it’s probably a good idea to replace it before it goes ping 40 miles from home!

I have always used KMC chains on my MTB’s and would like to fit one to this bike, but am not totally sure which one is compatible with the 105 groupset. I believe the Shimano chain is ‘super narrow’ (5.88mm wide) according to the marketing blurb, and seems to be 116 links. KMC sell a couple of chains that are 5.88mm wide but are only 112 links – will this work?

I could replace the chain ‘like for like’ but would like the ability to remove the chain for cleaning which is a simple task with the KMC missing link system.

Answers on a postcard.......
As an aside what do you mean by 'inspect'? If you mean a visual check, you're probably too late and could well be looking at a new cassette as well.

You should always replace based on stretch using a stretch gauge.

It's also always worth - given how little they weigh - to carry a chain tool and spare link (sram quick links are the best IMO) with you in your tool kit.

CoolC

4,500 posts

243 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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shalmaneser said:
definitely get a Shimano chain for 10 speed. they need to be assymetrical which I don't think the KMC ones are.
Are you talking specifically about road bikes here? As my MTB runs full Shimano and has a KMC chain from the factory.

Jimbo.

4,219 posts

218 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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shalmaneser said:
definitely get a Shimano chain for 10 speed. they need to be assymetrical which I don't think the KMC ones are.
It's only with the introduction of Dura Ace 7900 and Ultegra 6700 that chains become asymmetrical. I can't recall 105 "needing" (as much as chains need to be asymmetric...plus DA ones kept going "twang"!) them.

IroningMan

10,598 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Jimbo. said:
It's only with the introduction of Dura Ace 7900 and Ultegra 6700 that chains become asymmetrical. I can't recall 105 "needing" (as much as chains need to be asymmetric...plus DA ones kept going "twang"!) them.
This is correct - the assymetric chains work on older 10-spd too, but not vice-versa.

Rouleur

7,416 posts

218 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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Jimbo. said:
If the new chain is four links shorter than your current chain as fitted, then that may be an issue: 4 links is a lot.
It would only be an issue if he was running a massive largest sprocket, which I'd imagine he's not. With a 50/25 set up for example you have to remove a fair few links to get the right length.

MadDad

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3,835 posts

290 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I have to ‘fess up and admit it was a visual inspection that made me realised the chain was on its last legs, that and the lateral movement!

To be fair it has well over 3,000 miles on it but I clean the bike, and de-grease/grease the chain weekly, in fact to look at the bike it would be hard to tell its nearly 18 months old.

The 105’s are not direction specific so I believe I should be OK with the KMC X10-L, the only worry is the 4 link difference, but the biggest combo I have is 50/25 so fingers crossed I should be OK – there is a lot of spare chain in the 116 link setup.

If the new chain does not fit then in my mind I have a good excuse to build a new bike based on a spare chain......... wink

IroningMan

10,598 posts

275 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Oh yes.

Worth investing a few bob in a chainwear tool - instant confidence and, in theory, the opportunity to replace chains before they start to shorten the life of your sprockets.

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

287 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Do you guys who use KMC chains use the missing link tool or just connect and disconnect the link by hand?

MadDad

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290 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I have always been able to clip/unclip by hand. I use them on my MTB's as once I get back from a ride I can take the chain off and dump it in a pot of petrol to give it a clean - so much easier and less messy than a chain cleaning device...........

CoolC

4,500 posts

243 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I've never managed to split them by hand, I've always had to use pliers. I don't have a specific missing link tool.

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

287 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I've got Wipperman connex on all my bikes but fancied a change with my new build so KMC it is I guess.

MadDad

Original Poster:

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290 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I have the X10-SL on both of my MTB's and its a strong, light and nice looking chain! Nothing wrong with a bit of bike bling......

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

287 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I've just ordered one in gold. Hope it lasts as long as the Wipperman does they are bulletproof!

IroningMan

10,598 posts

275 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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I've only just fitted one to the 105 10spd chain on my winter bike, so haven't had to split it yet, but the SRAM Powerlink on the 9spd XT I have on the MTB comes apart easily by hand.