£10k fiat coupe
Discussion
Did anyone else notice how quickly that 10 grand fiat coupe in the classifieds sold? I know they're rare with that mileage, but values are clearly on the move and I've not seen one go for that money since they were pretty new.
It also got me thinking about the other Italians which are likely to increasing in value in the near future
My candidates are:
8v / 16v 'Grales (there's a huge gulf between late evo prices and earlier values)
Alfa GTV (good ones are becoming rare)
Any thoughts?
M
It also got me thinking about the other Italians which are likely to increasing in value in the near future
My candidates are:
8v / 16v 'Grales (there's a huge gulf between late evo prices and earlier values)
Alfa GTV (good ones are becoming rare)
Any thoughts?
M
Yes, I noticed it had sold. Don't know whether it made the full asking price, as that certainly was big bucks for a coupe.
It would be nice to think that prices were on the up for these. I would like to think they are a bit of a future classic. Numbers are diminishing as more and more cars are scrapped due to repair costs vs poor resale values, or due to rust. Hopefully then the value of those which remain and are cherished by enthusiasts will climb.
It would be nice to think that prices were on the up for these. I would like to think they are a bit of a future classic. Numbers are diminishing as more and more cars are scrapped due to repair costs vs poor resale values, or due to rust. Hopefully then the value of those which remain and are cherished by enthusiasts will climb.
Ten grand for a Fiat Coupe is indeed strong money.
But how many are left with that sort of mileage? Most seem to be complete knackers these days.
Just to put it in context, I recently sold this 20,000 mile 3.2 GTV for £8500, complete with Q2, equal length stainless manifolds and with that plate.
But how many are left with that sort of mileage? Most seem to be complete knackers these days.
Just to put it in context, I recently sold this 20,000 mile 3.2 GTV for £8500, complete with Q2, equal length stainless manifolds and with that plate.
Interesting question the mileage one. If you buy a low miles car you can't use it much for fear of losing its value. So is it better to spend a lot less and buy a fully refreshed, but higher miles car, even if you only use it the same?
A classic case is the fiat here for 10k or the stunning blue '99 GTV in the classifieds for 3.5k, but 144k miles?
To be honest I would go for the Alfa.
A classic case is the fiat here for 10k or the stunning blue '99 GTV in the classifieds for 3.5k, but 144k miles?
To be honest I would go for the Alfa.
Nice GTV in the pics and very strong price as well for your car, most GTV's I have seen lately are looking pretty shed like too.
I always consider the GTV one of the major reasons why the Coupe is slowly dying a death, if you want an Italian Coupe then the Alfa is the default. Personally I prefer the Coupe to drive be it NA or Turbo (even versus the V6), seem to gel and fit better with them.
As much as I enjoy the Coupe realistically can't see it being a future classic, it doesn't have a concours scene more a "lets see how much power we can get out of it". I'm sure there are already Brera being polished within an inch of their lives, that will always sustain values.
Nigel O who posts on here bought a 25K mile Coupe fairly recently so they are out there if you look.
I always consider the GTV one of the major reasons why the Coupe is slowly dying a death, if you want an Italian Coupe then the Alfa is the default. Personally I prefer the Coupe to drive be it NA or Turbo (even versus the V6), seem to gel and fit better with them.
As much as I enjoy the Coupe realistically can't see it being a future classic, it doesn't have a concours scene more a "lets see how much power we can get out of it". I'm sure there are already Brera being polished within an inch of their lives, that will always sustain values.
Nigel O who posts on here bought a 25K mile Coupe fairly recently so they are out there if you look.
MattGTA said:
There are a lot of shed coupes out there with pretty crude upgrades which certainly doesn't help the image.
Agreed, but there are also a good number of coupes with no expense spared power upgrades, carried out by specialists.Coupe ownership seems to be split between boy racers, who want the power, but can't be bothered to spend the necessary £'s on essential maintenance, and enthusiasts who lavish care and many £'s on their cars to keep them in fine fettle and keep the marque alive.
MattGTA said:
That is a stunning GTV. I have been toying with swapping the GTA for a 3.2 and your pics aren't helping!
I've owned two 3.2 GTVs. I think Alfa imported fewer than 40, so they are pretty rare.This was the other one...
They were both absolutely lovely, yet I don't think I owned either for more than six months.
My main complaint is that the bodywork is incredibly vulnerable. Both of mine picked up an endless series of minor dings down the flanks and wobbly boot lids. My magic dent man was forever straightening them out.
They are also pretty claustrophobic and have the worst, least supportive seats that you will ever experience.
The crap turning circle and lack of ground clearance seems to be common to all V6 Alfas.
To be honest, apart from their wonderful style and emerging classic status, the GTV isn't as good a proposition as a 147, 156 or GT.
I regret not buying a Fiat Coupe when I had the chance. I drove one a few years ago and was really impressed.
Pat H said:
I regret not buying a Fiat Coupe when I had the chance. I drove one a few years ago and was really impressed.
Drive one again - they are still a valid option, even though the youngest are 12 years old now.A carefully modded example will produce an easy 300bhp and with a few choice chassis mods, will easily stay with far more modern FWD machinery round the twisty bits.
It makes me laugh when Ford and Vauxhall have both made such a song and dance about "taming" up to 300bhp through the front wheels with their innovative front suspension design. The Coupe never suffered from torque-steer with it's standard 220bhp and my own car doesn't suffer with torque-steer with double that power.
However, whilst I'm a Coupe devotee, I'm not oblivious to the fact that it's a 12+ year old Fiat, and as such, they are firmly in banger ( or SOTW territory. Many are rusting very badly (in particular, the later models - weird). You could easily buy a total lemon that's only good for breaking. The last 20VT we had in for breaking was really rotten - I put my fingers through the front end of the sills and I could easily shove a screwdriver through the door steps and the wheelarches.
They will go the same way as any other car - the remaining 2,000 or so 20VTs will fall into the hands of people that don't understand them, leaving just a couple of hundred in another few years time - hopefully, these will be in the hands of enthusiasts who will keep them alive. There's only around 150 16v turbos left and about 180 16v non-turbos, so they are already a very rare car.
However, buy wisely, using the knowledge of the Fiat Coupe forum and you could easily end up with a genuine 150+ mph car that's very different from the multitude of rep-mobiles out there AND you'll only have spent around £2k - £3k (cheaper bargains can be had, but you're gambling on big bills just around the corner)
Go on - you know you want to....
Evoluzione said:
There are a lot more 16v(T) cars around than that.
Figures from the end of 2011 - true figures are probably slightly lower now16v Turbo = 146
16v non turbo = 172
There's only about 1700 20v turbos left, and thee were by far the most popular model, with over 5,000 sold in the UK (out of around 7,000 UK Coupes in total, from a worldwide production of about 72,000)
Nigel_O said:
Figures from the end of 2011 - true figures are probably slightly lower now
16v Turbo = 146
16v non turbo = 172
There's only about 1700 20v turbos left, and thee were by far the most popular model, with over 5,000 sold in the UK (out of around 7,000 UK Coupes in total, from a worldwide production of about 72,000)
Nah, the figures quoted are for cars still on the road, there are a heck of a lot still in existence, but on SORN. Whether they'll ever make it back on the road is anyones guess though.....16v Turbo = 146
16v non turbo = 172
There's only about 1700 20v turbos left, and thee were by far the most popular model, with over 5,000 sold in the UK (out of around 7,000 UK Coupes in total, from a worldwide production of about 72,000)
Speaking of which, would you buy a car from this man:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290726636370?ssPageName=...
. '76,000 miles?' Pic of clock shows 79568...
. 'Styled by Pininfarina.' Nope, styled by Chris Bangle who didn't work for Pinin...
. 'A dig on a wing' Maybe the huge dent in the bonnet?
. 'Metallic paint yes' No.
And his feedback features a pair of used trainers he sold off as new & unused!
Evoluzione said:
Nah, the figures quoted are for cars still on the road, there are a heck of a lot still in existence, but on SORN. Whether they'll ever make it back on the road is anyones guess though.....
Incorrect - the stats on HowManyLeft inlude SORN'd carsHowManyLeft said:
The database covers all vehicles that have a valid tax disc or a Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN). It doesn't cover cars that were off the road prior to the introduction of SORN, or cars that have never been registered on the road since manufacture.
For what it's worth, I bought my current Coupe in August 2010 for just £4,500 - It's a 1999 Plus model and it had just 24,500 miles on the clock when I bought it - almost perfect condition and it drove like new.
Seems a shame, but I've put over 30,000 miles on it since then.
The only way the Sprinty Coupe would be worth £10k is if it had sub 10,000 miles on it AND it had some kind of special provenance, such as being the oldest in the country (which it can't be - the 20vt was introduced in 1996)
Seems a shame, but I've put over 30,000 miles on it since then.
The only way the Sprinty Coupe would be worth £10k is if it had sub 10,000 miles on it AND it had some kind of special provenance, such as being the oldest in the country (which it can't be - the 20vt was introduced in 1996)
Evoluzione said:
It could be worse then - lots of people scrap cars and don't fill in the forms to say that they have.
I agree, plus the HowManyLeft figure is from the end of 2011 - several more will have bitten the dust in the interim. We've broken at least four this year alone.There's every chance that there will be less than 100 16VTs left within the next year or so, with 16v n/a close behind. Despite the enthusiasm for the cars, there are very few people with the money or inclination to spend thousands to save a car that's currently worth hundreds (I bought my early 16v non-turbo for less than a grand - its now the tenth oldest Coupe in the country, but I rather doubt it's worth more than a grand, despite me having spent over a grand on it so far)
It's a real shame - if it had an Alfa badge on it, they would be called 'Classic' by now. It's easy to see how cars that you would class as "recent" can have dwindled away to almost nothing. For example, how many MG Montego Turbos do you think are left? It was a mainstream car in its day (I had the non-turbo - wasn't a bad car, but it was only a year old). Eleven - even though there were 23,000 produced. What chance does the Coupe have? (there were only about 7,000 brought to the UK) . Give it another decade and there will be tiny numbers left.
We run a pair of boggers Fiat Coops as daily mileage munchers
My Mrs uses the 20vt to commute 200 miles a day (Arundel to Dorchester, return) without any issues, other than day to day wear. She's been doing so for well over 3 years, with no issues so far.
I run a 16na for toddling all over southern England, (as & wherever the ''biz'' is). This one has needed 2 replacement lumps (-when they both seized without any warning) but were but quickly/easily swopped within a couple of days. We now keep a spare mota -for the next time it happens, although this one has done well over 100k without issues.
We've been very happy with them. Being virtually worthless has its benefits, with good fuel consumption, acceptable reliability & minimal depreciation. They've paid for themselves, several times over, but we'll be sad when the inevitable happens & that day comes.
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