MTBers are liars!
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First, if you do read this, be warned, it is quite a long read.
Skim over the article and read all of the comments, trust me, it is worth it.
Gisburn Forest fast becoming accident blackspot
Skim over the article and read all of the comments, trust me, it is worth it.
Gisburn Forest fast becoming accident blackspot
When you dial 999 and tell them youre at the Swindly Forest Jump gully they know exectly where it is as they have usually been there the day before LOL
mjvande = what a TIT! Ive seen lots of rubbish spouted on lots of sites but this blokes takes the biscuit LOL
mjvande = what a TIT! Ive seen lots of rubbish spouted on lots of sites but this blokes takes the biscuit LOL
Edited by Fluffsri on Wednesday 6th June 22:02
got to me within 15 mins! I've ridden Hully Gully many times, I'm in the top ten on Strava for it! I love it, one of the best trails I've ridden! I wouldn't say the trail itself is dangerous, you can roll it, it's just one of those trails where if you're gonna crash, it's gonna hurt!
I wouldn't want to see it closed. It does have signs at the top and there is an alternate route so really, all that's needed is for people to be more sensible about their riding and their capabilities.
A video (not mine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751UXWvf-q4
I wouldn't want to see it closed. It does have signs at the top and there is an alternate route so really, all that's needed is for people to be more sensible about their riding and their capabilities.
A video (not mine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751UXWvf-q4
I am always amazed at some peoples attitudes towards accidents, and the costs of emergency services.
Are mountain bikers any worse than climbers who fall, or sailors who get caught out by rough seas, or kids who need rescuing from rivers. NO.
The reason we have emergency services is to deal with emergencies surely? The comments in the link concerning payment for the services, would end up with everyone paying for treatment, and no NHS. Many hospitalisations can be taken back to eating something, smoking something, drinking something, DIYing something etc. etc.
I once spoke with a member of the Brecon Mountain Rescue, who deals with a lot of injuries etc due to ill prepared people. His attitude was "So what. Thats what we're here for. I wouldn't like to think that my son wouldn't be rescued because he didn't have quite the right boots on, or had made an error of judgment".
Are mountain bikers any worse than climbers who fall, or sailors who get caught out by rough seas, or kids who need rescuing from rivers. NO.
The reason we have emergency services is to deal with emergencies surely? The comments in the link concerning payment for the services, would end up with everyone paying for treatment, and no NHS. Many hospitalisations can be taken back to eating something, smoking something, drinking something, DIYing something etc. etc.
I once spoke with a member of the Brecon Mountain Rescue, who deals with a lot of injuries etc due to ill prepared people. His attitude was "So what. Thats what we're here for. I wouldn't like to think that my son wouldn't be rescued because he didn't have quite the right boots on, or had made an error of judgment".
ratbane said:
I am always amazed at some peoples attitudes towards accidents, and the costs of emergency services.
Are mountain bikers any worse than climbers who fall, or sailors who get caught out by rough seas, or kids who need rescuing from rivers. NO.
The reason we have emergency services is to deal with emergencies surely? The comments in the link concerning payment for the services, would end up with everyone paying for treatment, and no NHS. Many hospitalisations can be taken back to eating something, smoking something, drinking something, DIYing something etc. etc.
I once spoke with a member of the Brecon Mountain Rescue, who deals with a lot of injuries etc due to ill prepared people. His attitude was "So what. Thats what we're here for. I wouldn't like to think that my son wouldn't be rescued because he didn't have quite the right boots on, or had made an error of judgment".
We used to get a lot of MTB'ers when I was in MR though. It can be a pain when you get a couple of call-outs on the same day. That said I'm an MTB'er as well so can see both sides. Are mountain bikers any worse than climbers who fall, or sailors who get caught out by rough seas, or kids who need rescuing from rivers. NO.
The reason we have emergency services is to deal with emergencies surely? The comments in the link concerning payment for the services, would end up with everyone paying for treatment, and no NHS. Many hospitalisations can be taken back to eating something, smoking something, drinking something, DIYing something etc. etc.
I once spoke with a member of the Brecon Mountain Rescue, who deals with a lot of injuries etc due to ill prepared people. His attitude was "So what. Thats what we're here for. I wouldn't like to think that my son wouldn't be rescued because he didn't have quite the right boots on, or had made an error of judgment".
What most MR personnel will tell you is that they don't mind getting called out if it was a genuine accident. What they - and I when I was doing it - object to is getting called out to scenarios that were eminently preventable; idiots whose first ever run at an MTB centre is down the black run, or the walkers who still decide to go out ill-equipped in really really bad weather.
rhinochopig said:
We used to get a lot of MTB'ers when I was in MR though. It can be a pain when you get a couple of call-outs on the same day. That said I'm an MTB'er as well so can see both sides.
What most MR personnel will tell you is that they don't mind getting called out if it was a genuine accident. What they - and I when I was doing it - object to is getting called out to scenarios that were eminently preventable; idiots whose first ever run at an MTB centre is down the black run, or the walkers who still decide to go out ill-equipped in really really bad weather.
Totally understand. I'm still not sure that they should have to pay however. My friend at Brecon MR reckoned that the ones who had made fools of themselves by poor kit choice, or not heeding weather forecasts, would often make reasonable contributions to the charity tin.What most MR personnel will tell you is that they don't mind getting called out if it was a genuine accident. What they - and I when I was doing it - object to is getting called out to scenarios that were eminently preventable; idiots whose first ever run at an MTB centre is down the black run, or the walkers who still decide to go out ill-equipped in really really bad weather.
ratbane said:
Totally understand. I'm still not sure that they should have to pay however. My friend at Brecon MR reckoned that the ones who had made fools of themselves by poor kit choice, or not heeding weather forecasts, would often make reasonable contributions to the charity tin.
I'd echo that experience, but you've still had to turn out in awful conditions and at times of day which puts team members at risk; not so much on the rescue but more so getting to the RV. I agree though you shouldn't have to pay to be rescued. Just wish people would carry a bit more gear for the what-if scenarios that's all. Even a space blanket and basic first aid kit makes all the difference.Worst I had was a group of lads who'd gone out in weather that would make a polar bear curl up and go to sleep. To give them their dues the group were pretty well equipped but not particularly fit and one of them was quite poorly. The weather was such that the SAR Helo refused to turn out unless one of them was going to die. It meant we had to walk in - approx 5k - through thigh deep snow with vis down to about 20m. Just getting to the RV was a nightmare and this was in a 4x4 with winter tyres. Once into the MR landies we made about 400m off road before they got stuck - and this was with diffs locked and snow chains - hence the walk.
Now don't get me wrong, it was very exciting at the time, and that is why you do it, but the call out placed a lot of us at risk because just driving to the RV was sketchy. Deep snow on all the major roads and slippery as hell. A couple of the lads had some big moments crawling down some of the steeper roads and its your own insurance that would have to cough up in the event of an accident.
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