944 turbo prices ?.
Discussion
Where are values going? Splitting further and further apart.
Average turbos are going to be needing many £000s spending over coming years, with bodywork and mechanical refurbs becoming essential for an MOT, rather than a luxury choice. The 944 is still not recognised, as it should be, as better than the 911 of the same vintage, let alone better than almost any other production car from the late 80's. Thus, most will be broken, or run in to the ground, and values will bottom out at scrap value of about a grand? I guess most turbos will end their days either as rusting sheds being patched up for each MOT, or as half-finished track "projects", running out of enthusiam and money before they even see a circuit.
There is a limited market for really good cars. These seem to be people either after the early-dash cars as a classic, or collectors who want a low-miles, immaculate turbo. Probably a cab, as they are the rarest outside of the cup cars. Really original and unmolested turbos, or cars that have been well restored, will be easily north of £10K in coming years, but that won't reflect the money spent properly restoring one.
What's odd is that the market seems to be moving away from the models that are arguably better in the real world. The later Lux has many advantages over the early cars, yet it's not seen as a real "classic" in the same way, probably due to the fact it doesn't have a naff '70's interior! The S2 is falling away far more than the equivalent turbos, yet it's arguably the more useable 944 on UK roads.
Average turbos are going to be needing many £000s spending over coming years, with bodywork and mechanical refurbs becoming essential for an MOT, rather than a luxury choice. The 944 is still not recognised, as it should be, as better than the 911 of the same vintage, let alone better than almost any other production car from the late 80's. Thus, most will be broken, or run in to the ground, and values will bottom out at scrap value of about a grand? I guess most turbos will end their days either as rusting sheds being patched up for each MOT, or as half-finished track "projects", running out of enthusiam and money before they even see a circuit.
There is a limited market for really good cars. These seem to be people either after the early-dash cars as a classic, or collectors who want a low-miles, immaculate turbo. Probably a cab, as they are the rarest outside of the cup cars. Really original and unmolested turbos, or cars that have been well restored, will be easily north of £10K in coming years, but that won't reflect the money spent properly restoring one.
What's odd is that the market seems to be moving away from the models that are arguably better in the real world. The later Lux has many advantages over the early cars, yet it's not seen as a real "classic" in the same way, probably due to the fact it doesn't have a naff '70's interior! The S2 is falling away far more than the equivalent turbos, yet it's arguably the more useable 944 on UK roads.
Remember the immaculate Turbo which Wheeler Dealers turned into a track day car... Such a waste
As for future values these are slow burn cars that's for sure in time values will go up due to rarity.
What do most need now?
New brake lines
New underseal
New engine mounts
New silicon pipework
New fuel tank
New bushes
New dampers and springs
New bearings
New brake servo
New radiator
New turbo
New cam chain and tensionsrs
New interior
New door seals new glass seals
New rear window - heating elements will not be very efficient now
New pedal rubbers
Major service
New brake fluid
New number plates
Parts of bodywork respray
New drivers seat at the bare min
Detailed examination of chassis and all areas for any rust and then corrective Maintence plus preventative.
New exhaust manifold - you may as well get a 4-1 stainless example
New dizzy cap rotor arm HT leads
New air con condenser
Um pretty much it. This is if you want a mint one do none of that well your just after a run of te mill example
As for future values these are slow burn cars that's for sure in time values will go up due to rarity.
What do most need now?
New brake lines
New underseal
New engine mounts
New silicon pipework
New fuel tank
New bushes
New dampers and springs
New bearings
New brake servo
New radiator
New turbo
New cam chain and tensionsrs
New interior
New door seals new glass seals
New rear window - heating elements will not be very efficient now
New pedal rubbers
Major service
New brake fluid
New number plates
Parts of bodywork respray
New drivers seat at the bare min
Detailed examination of chassis and all areas for any rust and then corrective Maintence plus preventative.
New exhaust manifold - you may as well get a 4-1 stainless example
New dizzy cap rotor arm HT leads
New air con condenser
Um pretty much it. This is if you want a mint one do none of that well your just after a run of te mill example
Welshbeef said:
Remember the immaculate Turbo which Wheeler Dealers turned into a track day car... Such a waste
As for future values these are slow burn cars that's for sure in time values will go up due to rarity.
What do most need now?
>>
New cam chain and tensionsrs
>>
Um pretty much it. This is if you want a mint one do none of that well your just after a run of te mill example
You sure about that?As for future values these are slow burn cars that's for sure in time values will go up due to rarity.
What do most need now?
>>
New cam chain and tensionsrs
>>
Um pretty much it. This is if you want a mint one do none of that well your just after a run of te mill example
SS7
shoestring7 said:
You sure about that?
SS7
Yep the links do wear and get looser and it can cause the chain to spil a cog. SS7
If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
Welshbeef said:
Yep the links do wear and get looser and it can cause the chain to spil a cog.
If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
I bet you £50 no-one on here with an original engined 944 turbo has a loose cam chain.If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
In fact I will increase that to the world.
Welshbeef said:
shoestring7 said:
You sure about that?
SS7
Yep the links do wear and get looser and it can cause the chain to spil a cog. SS7
If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
Welshbeef said:
shoestring7 said:
You sure about that?
SS7
Yep the links do wear and get looser and it can cause the chain to spil a cog. SS7
If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
SS7
shoestring7 said:
Welshbeef said:
shoestring7 said:
You sure about that?
SS7
Yep the links do wear and get looser and it can cause the chain to spil a cog. SS7
If its a keeper madness not to do it frankly. Also the tensionsrs do wear out As you tighten them to take up the slack in the chain. The chain if slack also causes more noise
SS7
GC8 said:
They werent brilliant, even when new. I have just noticed that my Turbo had a new wastegate, according to the service receipts. Not from Jon Mitchell though, unfortunately.
True, a Tial DP would be an improvement, not sure if it's worth £400 though. I may shim mine to see if it makes any difference.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff