Pre-1960s classic to become MOT Exempt from Nov 2012.
Discussion
Just seen this on the BBC site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326
Edited by onyx39 on Monday 21st May 13:16
as I've just put on another forum
uhmm, we'll have to wait and see what this brings
my thoughts:
increase in late 50s values (?)
increase in insurance for these vehicles (?)
more engineers' checks for purchases and insurance on these vehicles (?)
personally I was against this and think it's a bad idea as not all classic car owners look after their cars well let alone some in the motor trade plus a number of other issues
I'd have thought a 5-year trial would give the necessary information to decide if it's a good idea
be interesting to see the results of this in 5 years time
I bet the manufactures’ archives will be checked a lot now to find if a 1960 car is actually a 1959 car as with RFL for 1973 cars
uhmm, we'll have to wait and see what this brings
my thoughts:
increase in late 50s values (?)
increase in insurance for these vehicles (?)
more engineers' checks for purchases and insurance on these vehicles (?)
personally I was against this and think it's a bad idea as not all classic car owners look after their cars well let alone some in the motor trade plus a number of other issues
I'd have thought a 5-year trial would give the necessary information to decide if it's a good idea
be interesting to see the results of this in 5 years time
I bet the manufactures’ archives will be checked a lot now to find if a 1960 car is actually a 1959 car as with RFL for 1973 cars
I too would rather that the rules hadn't been changed. However on my last MOT they managed to fail the car for there being no thread in the middle of the tyres, without having looked at the spare wheel with a completely virgin example of the Blockleys fitted to all four corners to see what the thread pattern is supposed to look like. Also it seems they managed to catch the sump drain plug on the test rig.
Normally I take my car to an MOT station where the tester is very familiar with classic Jaguars, including older ones than my newby (58) XK150.
It will be interesting to see whether insurance companies start asking for engineers reports.
I'm sure a lot of classic garages will start offering reports anyway. I wonder how the cost will compare with MOTs.
Normally I take my car to an MOT station where the tester is very familiar with classic Jaguars, including older ones than my newby (58) XK150.
It will be interesting to see whether insurance companies start asking for engineers reports.
I'm sure a lot of classic garages will start offering reports anyway. I wonder how the cost will compare with MOTs.
Beware Government Departments bearing gifts...
Cynical me does wonder if it means one day they'll all be classed as "Special Historic Status" - special occasions and daylight use only.
On a different note it will be interesting to see how many prospective classic car owners will be willing to pay a premium to avoid an M.O.T. - they will probably be the owners who are least capable of doing without.
Cynical me does wonder if it means one day they'll all be classed as "Special Historic Status" - special occasions and daylight use only.
On a different note it will be interesting to see how many prospective classic car owners will be willing to pay a premium to avoid an M.O.T. - they will probably be the owners who are least capable of doing without.
I think MOT tests should be phased out full stop.
For those arguing about safety- if you're into classics you typically lavish cars and keep on top of them.
Most of the US states have no form of MOT even for newer cars and I can't see any of these 'safety concerns' that MOT advocates cite. All I see is cars that don't depreciate as much and lower state taxes. In the spirit of whimsical consumerism most people still buy new cars to keep up with the Jones it's just that they're not FORCED to
For those arguing about safety- if you're into classics you typically lavish cars and keep on top of them.
Most of the US states have no form of MOT even for newer cars and I can't see any of these 'safety concerns' that MOT advocates cite. All I see is cars that don't depreciate as much and lower state taxes. In the spirit of whimsical consumerism most people still buy new cars to keep up with the Jones it's just that they're not FORCED to
To be perfectly honest so few accidents are down to mechanical defects that you probably could do away with MOT tests. However I do think that the Police would have to step up spot checks as so few people (mainly with moderns) notice that they have a headlamp out, or bald tyres... and many aren't even aware enough to switch their lights on at night, but that is a different argument.
Marquis Rex said:
I think MOT tests should be phased out full stop.
For those arguing about safety- if you're into classics you typically lavish cars and keep on top of them.
Most of the US states have no form of MOT even for newer cars and I can't see any of these 'safety concerns' that MOT advocates cite. All I see is cars that don't depreciate as much and lower state taxes. In the spirit of whimsical consumerism most people still buy new cars to keep up with the Jones it's just that they're not FORCED to
I wish I could agree, but having heard some of the drivel spouted by non-PH type car owners in the UK, it wouldn't be long before we had some lethal sheds on the road. These folks don't understand the need for tyres with tread nevermind clever stuff like working brakes, suspension etc.For those arguing about safety- if you're into classics you typically lavish cars and keep on top of them.
Most of the US states have no form of MOT even for newer cars and I can't see any of these 'safety concerns' that MOT advocates cite. All I see is cars that don't depreciate as much and lower state taxes. In the spirit of whimsical consumerism most people still buy new cars to keep up with the Jones it's just that they're not FORCED to
An ex-colleague of mine was very irate that her car had broken down because she'd had it MOT'd every year and it had only been done the month before. Unfortunately she didn't realise that an MOT wasn't a service. Poor thing hadn't even had an oil change for 5 years.
Personally, I'd rather pay for a yearly check up in case there's anything I've missed. Now, changing the road tax cut-off by 5 years - that I'd vote for
Oh, little experience of the US but I did see a 600cc Jap 4 in Cyprus with the canvas showing down the middle of the back tyre. That scared me!
spoodler said:
To be perfectly honest so few accidents are down to mechanical defects that you probably could do away with MOT tests. However I do think that the Police would have to step up spot checks as so few people (mainly with moderns) notice that they have a headlamp out, or bald tyres... and many aren't even aware enough to switch their lights on at night, but that is a different argument.
So many tards out there that I feel the MOT is a cheap and essential solution to keeping some of the thickest and laziest from killing more innocents. I bet you that if you were able to monitor all those people who never check their oil or water etc you'll find an alarming number only replace tyres when told to be law.
I have a feeling that of they didn't have an MOT each year thousands would drive around until a tyre burst or worse.
The MOT is a mild inconvenience but it doesn't really cost anyone who looks after their cars much trouble or money but I do honestly feel that while intangible there would be hoards of idiots with no tread or collapsed suspension driving into people.
Not a good idea. Irrespective of how well maintained they are or not, a MOT acts as a sense check and I certainly don't begrudge paying it particularly when you consider cars of this age weren't built as well as modern vehicles.
A 1959 grot box MOT failure suddenly becomes roadworthy? Stupid.
A 1959 grot box MOT failure suddenly becomes roadworthy? Stupid.
I don't think this is a very good idea either. How often do people have their cars up on ramps and do safety checks? Even with clasic car owners who are more likely to look after their cars I would wager it's not that often. An MOT provides a second opinion on the safety of the car which is never a bad thing.
Marquis Rex said:
if you're into classics you typically lavish cars and keep on top of them.
unfortunately I don't find that always to be the case with owners and some have a few classics in possibly in various states of true roadworthinessI found one of the most unreliable and possibly hazardious things with classics is some previous and current owners
some use their cars so little they have no real idea of how they should feel and go - and stop
number of classics with tyres that have loads of tread but are very old and little used so have gone hard and lost handling and braking, same for the braking system, lack of use plus brake fluid unchanged and old brake hoses and seals
imagine these car pottering out at whim on a sunny day as they don't need RFL or MoT and then a shower making the road surfaces greasy
EFA: where I noticed
Edited by na on Monday 21st May 20:33
DonkeyApple said:
spoodler said:
To be perfectly honest so few accidents are down to mechanical defects that you probably could do away with MOT tests. However I do think that the Police would have to step up spot checks as so few people (mainly with moderns) notice that they have a headlamp out, or bald tyres... and many aren't even aware enough to switch their lights on at night, but that is a different argument.
So many tards out there that I feel the MOT is a cheap and essential solution to keeping some of the thickest and laziest from killing more innocents. I bet you that if you were able to monitor all those people who never check their oil or water etc you'll find an alarming number only replace tyres when told to be law.
I have a feeling that of they didn't have an MOT each year thousands would drive around until a tyre burst or worse.
The MOT is a mild inconvenience but it doesn't really cost anyone who looks after their cars much trouble or money but I do honestly feel that while intangible there would be hoards of idiots with no tread or collapsed suspension driving into people.
A good few years back I drove my mate's family (wife and three small kids) down the M4 in his old Vauxhall estate which, after driving it, I declared lethal. When I asked how the hell it had passed an MOT, he said "I knew it would never pass so I rang ****** and he posted me one for a few quid extra"... Needless to say I did not drive it back - he couldn't understand why!
Not sure this is a good idea, though as someone with a 1959 car in my Dad's garage that needs an awful lot doing to it, who cares? Will slap some number plates on it this weekend and take it out for a run!
On another point, doesn't one need an MOT on a vehicle to be able to take a registration number from it? Does this mean that lots of potentially valuable old plates may now appear on the market, and mean that many a car with no hope of ever being restored is now valuable for their plates?
Oliver.
On another point, doesn't one need an MOT on a vehicle to be able to take a registration number from it? Does this mean that lots of potentially valuable old plates may now appear on the market, and mean that many a car with no hope of ever being restored is now valuable for their plates?
Oliver.
I don't think people that own old vehicles tend to be the type to allow their vehicles to run in a state of disrepair. Obviously there's a few old boys who may cut the odd corner, but they're the type that would 'borrow' a set of wheels/tyres from another car for an MOT anyway!
Most of these vehicles are both valuable and time consuming to keep on the road, so in my experience very few would knowingly risk their pride and joy for the sake of a hundred quid for a tyre.
Obviously the same could be said for other areas of 'enthusiast' based car/bike activity, but I guess that's less defined by one specific group?
Most of these vehicles are both valuable and time consuming to keep on the road, so in my experience very few would knowingly risk their pride and joy for the sake of a hundred quid for a tyre.
Obviously the same could be said for other areas of 'enthusiast' based car/bike activity, but I guess that's less defined by one specific group?
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