Webber to Williams confirmed
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3932311.stm
Hardly a suprise, it'll be interesting to see who gets the second Williams seat. I must say, I must be the only person in the world who doesn't rate Mark Webber, what has he ever done in a race? He qualifies well on very low fuel, but who wouldn't? I think if Williams sign DC he'll do a better job, and I'm no big fan of DC either.
Hardly a suprise, it'll be interesting to see who gets the second Williams seat. I must say, I must be the only person in the world who doesn't rate Mark Webber, what has he ever done in a race? He qualifies well on very low fuel, but who wouldn't? I think if Williams sign DC he'll do a better job, and I'm no big fan of DC either.
as much as id like to be 'flying the flag' i really dont rate coulthard as a racer. since his entry into the sport hes consistently had the best chassis/engine combination for pretty much all his career, yet, has never really shone. sure hes a good 'banker' and keeps it on the track, but as far as balls out racing goes, he simply doesnt do it for me. a couple of years ago i remember an interview with murray walker (remember him? - like james allen with a kilo of amphetamine 
) and murray was asked if he thought that coulthard would ever be champion. his response was 'sadly i think not' very prophetic and sums it up quite well.
re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut and, although no doubt gifted, id say frank williams is right to be a little cautious. trouble is, whos he got left? in my opinion he WILL go for a new and young driver to partner the fairly seasoned webber, but who?
just realised! if coulthard doesnt get a drive (have toyo got a spare seat still?) and williams dont take davidson, therell be but one single brit on the grid. in recent memory there have been three union flags hanging by the podium, how times change!
>> Edited by paolow on Wednesday 28th July 23:05
) and murray was asked if he thought that coulthard would ever be champion. his response was 'sadly i think not' very prophetic and sums it up quite well. re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut and, although no doubt gifted, id say frank williams is right to be a little cautious. trouble is, whos he got left? in my opinion he WILL go for a new and young driver to partner the fairly seasoned webber, but who?
just realised! if coulthard doesnt get a drive (have toyo got a spare seat still?) and williams dont take davidson, therell be but one single brit on the grid. in recent memory there have been three union flags hanging by the podium, how times change!
>> Edited by paolow on Wednesday 28th July 23:05
Re Webber in F3000 - Has Wilson totally blown it for the future in F1? OK, he didn't do particularly well at Jag, but was really unlucky - and against Webber the qualifying specialist with a year more F1 experience and half a year extra in the Jag.
Different world, but he is blowing his team mate away in Champ cars.
Also, could Mr Parfet come good for a team other than Sauber. He is both extremely fast, and more importantly for Williams, extremely racy. Not too shabby in single seaters either.
May get some Brits back yet!
Different world, but he is blowing his team mate away in Champ cars.
Also, could Mr Parfet come good for a team other than Sauber. He is both extremely fast, and more importantly for Williams, extremely racy. Not too shabby in single seaters either.
May get some Brits back yet!
daydreamer said:
Re Webber in F3000 - Has Wilson totally blown it for the future in F1? OK, he didn't do particularly well at Jag, but was really unlucky - and against Webber the qualifying specialist with a year more F1 experience and half a year extra in the Jag.
Different world, but he is blowing his team mate away in Champ cars.
Also, could Mr Parfet come good for a team other than Sauber. He is both extremely fast, and more importantly for Williams, extremely racy. Not too shabby in single seaters either.
May get some Brits back yet!
Probably, but you would think (ie hope!) that F1 teams are smart enough to see that second drivers at Jaguar DON'T get equal treatment, support etc from the team.
I'm still convinced Wilson's biggest problem is F1 teams won't build a car around him, and the natural weight of being tall goes against him, as there is less ballast required in the car, meaning that the weight of the driver is high up in the car compared to ballast, which is normally in the floor.
Paffet would be equally handy for Williams. It seems he has the correct qualitites and is quick in everything he's ever driven. Remember Mclaren were VERY impressed by him when they gave him a prize run for being BRDC young driver of the year award.
Webber and Paffett? You know it makes sense Sir Frank!
Ant Davidson could then Fit in nicely at Sauber and we would then have plenty of really promising Brits slogging it out.
LexSport said:
Does anyone know what sort of a contract Paffett is signed up to at the moment? I can't see Merc letting him out early to go race for BMW without a fight.
>> Edited by LexSport on Thursday 29th July 11:51
His DTM driving contract is up at the end of the year but I think he's on a long term McLaren management contract (could be wrong, often am!)
paolow said:
re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut
That was in a Minardi though wasn't it?
Be interesting to see if Liuzzi gets a drive for next season, as he's blowing the doors off F3000 at the moment. I know talent doesn't necessarily mean anything in the crazy world of F1 seats these days, but the kid looks a bit special.
mg511 said:
Does anyone know what sort of a contract Paffett is signed up to at the moment? I can't see Merc letting him out early to go race for BMW without a fight.
>> Edited by LexSport on Thursday 29th July 11:51
His DTM driving contract is up at the end of the year but I think he's on a long term McLaren management contract (could be wrong, often am!)
Paffett doesnt have any contract with McLaren, he only won the Young Driver of the Year award a few years back and tested a McLaren F1 car and did a very impressive job so much so they asked him to come back a few months later, but due to thier test driver at the time (Oliver Panis) under a lengthy contract and DC and Hakkinen in the same predicament there was nowhere for him to go.
I know Norbert Haug thinks very highly of him and with his Mercedes links with Peter Sauberits looking like he will end up there.
On the Webber debate I think he will shine at Williams if they can pck themselves up from this god awful year and build a better car and stop blaming BMW for crap engines.
Fisi has now signed for Renault, and im sure we will see Trulli at Toyota, what a team Trulli and Ralf a couple of sleepers, just what the Japs want!
hornet said:
re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut
That was in a Minardi though wasn't it?
Be interesting to see if Liuzzi gets a drive for next season, as he's blowing the doors off F3000 at the moment. I know talent doesn't necessarily mean anything in the crazy world of F1 seats these days, but the kid looks a bit special.
See here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3933357.stm for news on Luzzi, he looks impressive but F3000 is dead in the water these days so who knows. As for Davidson, he did look a muppet in a Minardi and so many drivers (like Pizzonia) have shown they can run fast in testing but not race. If you look at Friday testing times Davidson always runs many more laps that Button or Sato, and I'm sure his engine revs higher and his tanks run lower, so I'm not convinced. Love watching Paffett in DTM, hope he gets a chance in F1
hornet said:
paolow said:
re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut
That was in a Minardi though wasn't it? .
Yes it was, Hungary 2002, his team mate......Mark Webber.
Mark Webber - Minardi 1:17.428s
Anthony Davidson - Minardi 1:17.959s
Not bad for a rookie in his first F1 race in a hopeless car, against an acknowledged future superstar (even at that stage) who's had a few miles under his belt in F1 and the Minardi.
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 29th July 16:10
FourWheelDrift said:
paolow said:
re: anthony davidson, remember that while an impressive timesheet topper, he hardly set the world alight with his racing debut
That was in a Minardi though wasn't it? .
Yes it was, Hungary 2002, his team mate......Mark Webber.
Mark Webber - Minardi 1:17.428s
Anthony Davidson - Minardi 1:17.959s
Not bad for a rookie in his first F1 race in a hopeless car, against an acknowledged future superstar (even at that stage) who's had a few miles under his belt in F1 and the Minardi.
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 29th July 16:10
Don't agree Webber is a future superstar, and it was hardly a Schumi-tastic performance was it? Didn't he crash out of both races he did with Minardi?
FourWheelDrift said:
I think he had power steering failure in Hungary and the hot conditions along with tiredness (never done a GP distance before) and the heavy steering/crap car caused the spin after 58 laps. If you never go off in a Minardi at least once you aren't trying hard enough.
Maybe a better idea to go off in free practice than the race though. Suprised Minardi had PAS, Sauber didn't have it until mid-way through this season.
mojocvh said:
it'll be interesting to see who gets the second Williams seat
Dario Franchetti. Hmmm
MoJo
Alas, I think Dario's time has passed, for F1 at least, his 'poor' test at Jag a few years ago did him no favoyrs. Dan Wheldon has not even been mentioned, whereas Autosport this week has Klein on the list of possibles
Anyone but Coulthard!!!!!
Good god noooooo...
That also ran needs to retire, quickly, before he ends up in a Jaguar tootling around the back of the grid for years, claiming that he can still win the world title if he has the right car under him.
Hmmmm, sounds familiar to the first half of this year in a McLaren...
Good god noooooo...
That also ran needs to retire, quickly, before he ends up in a Jaguar tootling around the back of the grid for years, claiming that he can still win the world title if he has the right car under him.
Hmmmm, sounds familiar to the first half of this year in a McLaren...
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