Those little cam/toothed things that hold lines
Those little cam/toothed things that hold lines
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Simpo Two

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294 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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After fighting with fender lines today I recalled seeing a boat with the above gadgets fitted - two cam-shaped cogs grip the line and the more you pull, the tighter they grip.

But what the heck are they called please?

Mave

8,217 posts

244 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Jammers?

dave-the-diver

278 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Cam cleats?

David

paintman

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219 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Yachtworker

1,266 posts

184 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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Surely sir will need these for his vessel:


seriously they are very good and come in many sizes: http://www.fenderhooks.com/

XJSJohn

16,151 posts

248 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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trying to figure out how you get tangled up with fender lines .... clove hitch around the guard rail stanchion, job done. just do them one at a time .....

although i guess depends on just how big your boat is, and if you don't know what cam cleats or jammers are then you are definitely not a WAFI


SlimRick

2,277 posts

194 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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Fender Flutes?

Just bought some myself from Ebay:



Simpo Two

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Friday 27th April 2012
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Great replies, thanks to all who replied. The ones that look like they come from a saddlery are out but I think Paintman has it by a nose.

The fender lines are currently attached in a number of ways - the stern ones are tied round the same cleat as the stern lines so are hard to sort out, the next one is on its own little loop, and the front two are tied round the pulpit stanchions - so they drape over the bulwarks and look a bit naff. In short, the maker hangs them on by whatever means is quickest.

It's not normally an issue but the marina jetties are 'normal' height' whilst the EA moorings are only 6" high. In yesterday's winds, even with the fenders lowered, the boat was rocking so much that it worked them free (luckily the edging is wood and not concrete). The wind was such that the waves coming down between bow and jetty actually splashed me. It's simply not on!


Q: When one's fender lines are secured at the correct height, is there an official nautical way of tidying up the loose end?

Yachtworker

1,266 posts

184 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Q: When one's fender lines are secured at the correct height, is there an official nautical way of tidying up the loose end?
Not official in any way but if you have a lot of surplus (if you need to change the hight berth to berth) then loose coil it up neatly, put a loop through the turns and make if off on the guard rail next to the hanging knot nice and tidy.

mickrick

3,759 posts

202 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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XJSJohn said:
trying to figure out how you get tangled up with fender lines .... clove hitch around the guard rail stanchion, job done. just do them one at a time .....

although i guess depends on just how big your boat is, and if you don't know what cam cleats or jammers are then you are definitely not a WAFI
There's not allways a rail to tie onto. We have a few meters or so of capping rail with nowhere to tie fenders. So for the last two, we have those nice leather jobbies with the cam cleats.
See the aft section of capping rail below. What's a WAFI?

XJSJohn

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248 months

Saturday 28th April 2012
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Valid point that I had a feeling might be the case mick.

WAFI - wind assisted fkin' idiot

(or me most weekends)

mickrick

3,759 posts

202 months

Saturday 28th April 2012
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laugh Actualy I prefer wind assisted. There's a lot more idiots out there with the "iron sail" But we're not supposed to say that are we smile

Simpo Two

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Saturday 28th April 2012
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Last time out I was both iron sail and wind assisted (not always helpfully I may add!). Derived great satisfaction from the watching hireboat (who had just made a complete mess of it). Managed a perfect approach and downwind landing into my marina slot... strong tailwind countered by light reverse and 'steering' by thrusters - no flow over the rudder of course. By contrast the old Freeman would have been more of a crash landing!

the_lone_wolf

2,622 posts

215 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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Yachtworker said:
Simpo Two said:
Q: When one's fender lines are secured at the correct height, is there an official nautical way of tidying up the loose end?
Not official in any way but if you have a lot of surplus (if you need to change the hight berth to berth) then loose coil it up neatly, put a loop through the turns and make if off on the guard rail next to the hanging knot nice and tidy.
I worked on a yacht that frequented Croatia, low docks meant they had exceptionally long fender lines. A method I've used is to finish your clove hitch with a bight, and use the working end to loop back around the rail and pass through the bight you created with another bight. Keep passing bights through bights until you reach the end of the rope whereby just pass the working end through the previous bight to finish. Forms a nice tidy finish that looks like a chain of pretzals, keeps the rope off the teak deck. Its also secure, it won't come undone unless you release that last pass through the bight, but once you undo that last one you just tug the end and the whole chain falls loose, very good for a quick impromptu shift of fenders

ETA: Those fender saddles are the dogs danglers though, have worked on yachts that used them, can be eye-wateringly expensive but look much nicer than a bunch of hitches, IMO... smile

Yachtworker

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184 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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the_lone_wolf said:
worked on a yacht that frequented Croatia, low docks meant they had exceptionally long fender lines. A method I've used is to finish your clove hitch with a bight, and use the working end to loop back around the rail and pass through the bight you created with another bight. Keep passing bights through bights until you reach the end of the rope whereby just pass the working end through the previous bight to finish. Forms a nice tidy finish that looks like a chain of pretzals,
Chain sinnet(monkey braid)???

the_lone_wolf

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215 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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Yachtworker said:
Chain sinnet(monkey braid)???
Looks ike the same structure, when I did mine they tended to look more syymmetrical IIRC, but it's been a little while...

Off topic, saw you were down in Antibes at the end of April, you still down there now? Partner and I are half way to Biot and seeking work as crew this year...

Yachtworker

1,266 posts

184 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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the_lone_wolf said:
Looks ike the same structure, when I did mine they tended to look more syymmetrical IIRC, but it's been a little while...

Off topic, saw you were down in Antibes at the end of April, you still down there now? Partner and I are half way to Biot and seeking work as crew this year...
I live down here, just across the border in Italy, but I work mostly in France/Monaco. Some boats have told me that there are not many dockwalkers this season, so you may get lucky! There are a few new marinas in Italy (between San Remo & Genoa) so its worth getting along to them.

Simpo Two

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Friday 11th May 2012
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There are no rails (well only a pulpit at the front).

But I have secured some Barton Marine cam cleats from a relative in the trade and am pondering how best to fit them. The main problem is that if the line is subjected to any upward force at all, the rope just slips out.

Yachtworker

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184 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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Simpo Two

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Friday 11th May 2012
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I may be having a dim evening but I fear you've lost me... does that go on top of a cam cleat?