Ambulance driver fined for speeding - farcical or what?
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The good news is the organ was successfully delivered on time. However, the part of submitting a form to say an ambulance is under contract with the NHS to be able to drive above the limit is a bit wrong. Essentially they're saying 'ambulances with people inside fighting for their lives can speed to get to hospital quickly, but when someone in a hospital is relying on the organ being delivered when they could die without the organ you can't speed', isn't that a bit wrong?
You know, I wonder just how brutally stupid those in authority are going to get in this country before they instigate a revolution and are all hanged in public. I would be there cheering them into hell.
This man should instantly appeal this and also take a complaint to the Lord Advocate's office insisting that the Fiscal who made the decision to prosecute is removed from office.
I just wonder how this Fiscal would feel if it was his/her child lying on the operating table waiting for an organ.
Utter cretins!
J
This man should instantly appeal this and also take a complaint to the Lord Advocate's office insisting that the Fiscal who made the decision to prosecute is removed from office.
I just wonder how this Fiscal would feel if it was his/her child lying on the operating table waiting for an organ.
Utter cretins!
J
Rockatansky said:
On the local front I think we should all be writing to our MPs, MSPs and cooncilors demanding the PF's dismissal......where's my green ink gone?
ETA: probably need someone senior at L&B sacked too.
Edited by fluffnik on Thursday 26th April 12:06
Typical
Everyone shifting blame to avoid adverse publicity!
he must have had legal advice on this so one assumes all bases were checked.
Apart from that, One wonders where the discretion of the Crown lies? One assumes in just getting money in at the expense of justice.
If it had calle din court I would have hoped most Sheriffs or magistrates would have just refused to impose a penalty and let the crown appeal it and face th wrath of the High Court!
Sadly a lot of the 'old school' sheriffs who would have done this no longer sit. in years gone by not only would this never have been marked to proceed, had it done the man would walk out of court un penalised.
Scandelous!
he should complian to his MSP to raise the matter with the Lord Advocate to kick ass down the line!
Our emergancy staff eg ambulance drivers and fire engine drivers have a tough enough job without this nonsense!
Mr Grumpy
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Everyone shifting blame to avoid adverse publicity!
he must have had legal advice on this so one assumes all bases were checked.
Apart from that, One wonders where the discretion of the Crown lies? One assumes in just getting money in at the expense of justice.
If it had calle din court I would have hoped most Sheriffs or magistrates would have just refused to impose a penalty and let the crown appeal it and face th wrath of the High Court!
Sadly a lot of the 'old school' sheriffs who would have done this no longer sit. in years gone by not only would this never have been marked to proceed, had it done the man would walk out of court un penalised.
Scandelous!
he should complian to his MSP to raise the matter with the Lord Advocate to kick ass down the line!
Our emergancy staff eg ambulance drivers and fire engine drivers have a tough enough job without this nonsense!
Mr Grumpy
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jith said:
You know, I wonder just how brutally stupid those in authority are going to get in this country before they instigate a revolution and are all hanged in public. I would be there cheering them into hell.
This man should instantly appeal this and also take a complaint to the Lord Advocate's office insisting that the Fiscal who made the decision to prosecute is removed from office.
I just wonder how this Fiscal would feel if it was his/her child lying on the operating table waiting for an organ.
Utter cretins!
J
Well said. I concur, with an added dose of contempt. Someone needs a wall and a firing squad, without a blindfold.This man should instantly appeal this and also take a complaint to the Lord Advocate's office insisting that the Fiscal who made the decision to prosecute is removed from office.
I just wonder how this Fiscal would feel if it was his/her child lying on the operating table waiting for an organ.
Utter cretins!
J
Rockatansky said:
I think that's the point though - he isn't emergency service staff.
I read and understood the artical. My main point is there is a discretion to prosecute which clearly wasn't used here.We have numberous people providing services to the public, with varying levels of urgency. When it is non urgent then the law must be complied with. When there is an urgency perhaps short of emergancy, then should we be more forgiving?
When you check the statitics for those who go through cameras etc most it is the emergancy services.
I just wonder how many traffic police drive above the speed limit in non urgent or emergancy situations and are never prosecuted!
Mr Still grumpy
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p1doc said:
did you know that several out of hours providers ie doctors with drivers are not allowed to speed if emergency,if caught=fine and points and they also act as ambulances if no ambulance available-if only the public knew eh!
martin
Yup, my wife can be at home working on-call, but when she gets called in (usually for busier periods, not always emergencies) she's not supposed to speed or break any traffic laws. Of course it helps that her route to work is an enjoyable ~20mins of unclassified/B-roads with no police presence (I'm jealous - I'd love that daily commute...).martin
She's investigated the a green light for the roof but in all honesty it'd not be any good to her given the times she's on-call there's rarely traffic anyway. (they don't allow you to break the law but can help get traffic out your way apparently - I want one although could be problematic with a fabric roof!)
IMHO any organ to be transported is urgent. Once the blood supply, therefore oxygen is cut off from the tissues they have a limited time to get the organ reattatched before the cells start to die. The sooner this is done the less damage the organ will have sustained meaning a better chance of a successful outcome.
I hope the PF can sleep at night. What a bloody farce.
Johnny
I hope the PF can sleep at night. What a bloody farce.
Johnny
a replay of Mick Ferguson ( and WYMAS private services) vs Lincolnshire BiB then
while vehicles carrying tissue and blood can be fitted with blue beacons / special warning devices and audible warning devices, they DO NOT have the same exemptions as an Ambulance or as a RRV or support tender ( 'a vehicle used for ambulance purposes' ) has.
this is yet another example of the absolute farce that is UK law regarding emergency vehicles
exemptions etc are covered in the Road Traffic Act and the Road Traffic Regulation Act
fitting and use of warning devices in the road vehicle lighting regulations
there is no enforcable legal provisions regarding training as S.19 Road Safety Act only allows for secondary legislation to be made to cover the training required to claim the speed exemptions open to police, fire +rescue and Ambulance vehicles , arguably claiming the speed exemption is the least hazardous 'moving' exemption vs. treating red traffic lights as give ways or off siding 'keep left' bollards ... ( the parking / stopping exemptions etc are fairly none descript in terms of risk and)
doctor's green beacons have no exemptions etc attached again another area where there is a bit of a legal farce ... A doctor of my acquaintance is an Emergency Medicine Consultant as well as a BASICS Doctor ... if his department were to call him in in anticipation / on arrival of a critically injured patient the law requires him to make his way in at normal road speeds , obeying all road traffic law , he may if he wishes display a green beacon , it the is doctor was instead called to scene as part of the BASICS scheme by the Ambulance Service - possibly for the same patient he can claim all the exemptions offered to 'a vehicle used for ambulance purposes' and use blues and twos ...
while vehicles carrying tissue and blood can be fitted with blue beacons / special warning devices and audible warning devices, they DO NOT have the same exemptions as an Ambulance or as a RRV or support tender ( 'a vehicle used for ambulance purposes' ) has.
this is yet another example of the absolute farce that is UK law regarding emergency vehicles
exemptions etc are covered in the Road Traffic Act and the Road Traffic Regulation Act
fitting and use of warning devices in the road vehicle lighting regulations
there is no enforcable legal provisions regarding training as S.19 Road Safety Act only allows for secondary legislation to be made to cover the training required to claim the speed exemptions open to police, fire +rescue and Ambulance vehicles , arguably claiming the speed exemption is the least hazardous 'moving' exemption vs. treating red traffic lights as give ways or off siding 'keep left' bollards ... ( the parking / stopping exemptions etc are fairly none descript in terms of risk and)
doctor's green beacons have no exemptions etc attached again another area where there is a bit of a legal farce ... A doctor of my acquaintance is an Emergency Medicine Consultant as well as a BASICS Doctor ... if his department were to call him in in anticipation / on arrival of a critically injured patient the law requires him to make his way in at normal road speeds , obeying all road traffic law , he may if he wishes display a green beacon , it the is doctor was instead called to scene as part of the BASICS scheme by the Ambulance Service - possibly for the same patient he can claim all the exemptions offered to 'a vehicle used for ambulance purposes' and use blues and twos ...
Our out-of-hours doctors car is fully stickered up with green light. When the green light is on the vehicle is limited to 60mph!! Switch it off and the speed limiter goes off. Quite annoying.
I am also starting to do BASICS work. Without specialist blue-light training (which very few Drs undergo) we are instructed to drive briskly but safely to the scene within the law, green light or no green light.
I am also starting to do BASICS work. Without specialist blue-light training (which very few Drs undergo) we are instructed to drive briskly but safely to the scene within the law, green light or no green light.
mad4amanda said:
Surely its the driver that holds the exemptions (subject to completion of the training) the vehicle is immaterial, I drive a rescue unit on the road to get to circuits but do not have the exemptions to drive on blues on the public road.
I think you'll find that the vehicle does, especially if as many Rescue units claim to be and is evidenced by the fit to be an ambulance ... what you don't necessarily have , while on public roads is a legitimate 'purpose' to be hindered.Certain vehicles hold the exemptions without equivocation this include a fully functioning fire appliance and an Ambulance, other vehicles will depend on use .
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