Fuel Line Magnets

[gtir]

This sounds rather dubious, but could it be true? I am dumb and never learnt nothing so I dont know, where is CarZee when you need him?

"Have you ever heard of FuelMax? It's basic principle works like this: Two magnets are around the fuel line. They "ionise" the fuel (brake down hydrocarbon molecules) and the air molecules mix with the fuel molecules in a better fashion thus giving more complete combustion. It's supposed to reduce fuel consumption & gas emmisions. When I installed it and reset the ECU I definitely felt the car going in the same speed as before with pressing less throttle. I remember that I measured my fuel consumption and it indeed went down. After getting used to it for a time I'm not certain anymore on if it actually does anything. Or it even might be the computer reset it required in order to work which could alter the engine mapping and so the car was a bit different (& faster) than before. I guess I'll have to pull it off one day, just to see for certain if it indeed does something. Anyone with dyno results on it please mail them to me I'm really interested to know if it works and I will also post them for all to see."

[GreenV8S]

quote:
This sounds rather dubious, but could it be true?

Yes they do work, in fact they release so much energy you can actualy re-route the exhaust back through the carbon cannister and re-constitute the original fuel, giving you potentially unlimited mileage.

The car manufacturers know all about this and are in league with the fuel companies to prevent this new technology from reaching the consumers. All those stories about them investing millions in research projects to improve engine effiency and reduce power consumption are pure propoganda. It's a well know fact you can achieve all this by magnetising your fuel.

[CarZee]

Fear not, GTir

IIRC you'd need some big-assed electromagnets (or a laser or some alpha/beta radioactive particles) to ionise anything without directly passing a charge through it.. and a couple of old loudspeaker magnets ain't gonna cut it...

In any case, I'm not sure that 'ionise' is quite what he means..

I fail to see how any magnetic alignment of particles in fuel is going to improve consumption or performance anyway.. even if a change resulted in repellant forces between molecules, their interation with the (Ferrous) metal of the inlet would surely negate that..

Could be the placebo effect.. you know .. that band with a bloke who sings like Bette Midler..

All IMO really.. can't remember much from me A-level fizzics..

[Fatboy]

Two words mate: Total, and Bollocks

There is no way a magnetic field generated by a couple of small magnets could possibly ionise any of the fractions in petrol - Concentrated Sulfuric acid can't do it!

[smeagol]

I've heard of this "technology" and decided it was an urban myth. I don't see how fuel traveling along a fuel line past two weak magnets can have any effect on its chemical compositiotn to improve combustion. I suspect it was, as you say, down to reseting the engine.

[lrussell5]

spot on fatboy

[M@H]

quote:

quote:
This sounds rather dubious, but could it be true?

Yes they do work, in fact they release so much energy you can actualy re-route the exhaust back through the carbon cannister and re-constitute the original fuel, giving you potentially unlimited mileage.

The car manufacturers know all about this and are in league with the fuel companies to prevent this new technology from reaching the consumers. All those stories about them investing millions in research projects to improve engine effiency and reduce power consumption are pure propoganda. It's a well know fact you can achieve all this by magnetising your fuel.

[smeagol]

Wow four posts all at 14:33 great minds think alike and dumb one seldom differ

[GreenV8S]

PS if you want some specially uprated magnets so suit the demands of a modern TVR then I'm sure we can sort something out, money back if not completely satisfied if you can find me. PS if you have any issues feel free to call this premium rate line and we will happily take as long as necessary to resolve them.

[CarZee]

Bloody wondered until I got to the end of the 1st paragraph

d'oh..

[gtir]

Ohh, you guys!

One more thing, me and Bonce are having an argument that if a performance air filter system is put on a car will:
a) Increase fuel consumption
b) Decrease fuel consumption
c) No change

Answers on a postcard...

[Fatboy]

And magnetically aligning hydrocarbon molecules? What utter shite. your average molecule found in petrol has no magnetic susceptibility at all, only unsaturated stuff like benzene (found in unleaded - it replaced tetraethyl lead as an anti-knock) would be even remotely affected, certainly not enought to 're-orient' a complex turbulent flow of the kind you'll find in a fuel line!

[CarZee]

Depends on the rest of the induction set up, but logic dictates that to keep the mixture the same when you're shoving extra air in, there will on aggregate be more fuel used..

[M@H]

All it should do is increase the speed at which air can enter the engine... therefore asuming there is not a restriction on the exhaust side, it will mean the engince can run quicker, quicker (if you know what I mean)..

.. my guess is C. no change.. (or negligible) as there is no change to the air/fuel ratio in the engine itself..

Cheers
Matt.

[M@H]

quote:
Depends on the rest of the induction set up, but logic dictates that to keep the mixture the same when you're shoving extra air in, there will on aggregate be more fuel used..

how are we measuring fuel consumption here.. MPG or ml per min.. or what...

[CarZee]

Matt - if you're increasing the speed of the airflow, you're increasing the volume of air passed per unit time - therefore to maintain the mix ratio you have to increase volume of fuel vapour shifted per unit time.. ergo, increased consumption...

no?

>> Edited by CarZee on Thursday 30th May 14:41

[plotloss]

Yep I'm with M@H and Carzee, no change.

Freeflow air filters increase the availability and speed of air entering the combustion chamber meaning that the bang will be bigger for the amount of fuel used. Same amount fuel + more air = more power.

Matt.

[M@H]

Yeah Aidan but were not increasing the internal capacity of the engine though.. therefore the finite amount of space is determining the intake speed/volume (without increasing compression) therefore you can't physically get any more fuel in the engine if the mixture is the same.. No ??

[CarZee]

Right - a quick rethink... if you're remaining at a constant speed, then fuel consumption would be equal between the two air-filters..

But - the more efficient air filter will (all things being equal) give you extra power on tap, which would produce greater maximum consumption?

[JohnL]

quote:
Matt - if you're increasing the speed of the airflow, you're increasing the volume of air passed per unit time - therefore to maintain the mix ratio you have to increase volume of fuel vapour shifted per unit time.. ergo, increased consumption...

Surely, increased consumption because you're burning more fuel and hence going faster - probably little or no change if you're keeping the same speed.