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I dont wish to appear rude or curt in my response but have you tried asking for a discount yourself?
I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
V8KSN said:
I dont wish to appear rude or curt in my response but have you tried asking for a discount yourself?
I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Discounts are normally quoted in percentages, doesn't matter therefore what the price is.I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Am looking at 997's. Where i'm coming from is - if i ask for say 5% off will i upset the applecart.
I know you can ask and they can always say no, it would just be nice to see how the land lies with
Porsche dealers
Greenslade said:
V8KSN said:
I dont wish to appear rude or curt in my response but have you tried asking for a discount yourself?
I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Discounts are normally quoted in percentages, doesn't matter therefore what the price is.I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Am looking at 997's. Where i'm coming from is - if i ask for say 5% off will i upset the applecart.
I know you can ask and they can always say no, it would just be nice to see how the land lies with
Porsche dealers
He was gutted but continued his search.
Three weeks later, the same car appeared on the website of one of the dealers above for £31k.
Obviously we no idea of what work was carried out on the car in that three week period and we know that the dealer in question would have to carry out their own checks anyway to ensure the car is of merchantable quality but it should give you an idea of the dealer margins.........which change all the time.
One car for sale at £35k could have cost the dealer £25k but another car for £35k could have cost the dealer £33k
I would say, find the car you are interested in and then start with a low offer
It always depends on the car. If anyone ever says to me "will you take £x/an offer for it?" my usual response is "why?". Whilst it may sound tongue in cheek I'm serious, but my asking like that is meant to highlight that some people's perception that "I must get a discount or I've lost/been had over by the dealer/will be made to feel a failure by my mates down the pub" isn't always right. If something needs attention or there'll be a routine expense around the corner, fair enough, let's discuss it, but if not, why not just make a decision and buy it?
I had a chap here last weekend who I'd told before coming that an offer of £12,000 wasn't acceptable on a £12,490 car (535d M Sport), he looked the car over, thought it was great, well prep'd, recent tyres, brakes etc etc but still thought it was OK to only offer £12k with no real justification for doing so. Suffice to say he wasn't successful in buying the car and it sold at the asking price on Monday.
Some cars may be well priced, with no reasons to "knock" it when viewing (like low tyres/brakes etc) and should perhaps be snapped up or you'll miss them, others may be over-priced and negotiation is necessary but there's no hard and fast rule about it sorry.
I had a chap here last weekend who I'd told before coming that an offer of £12,000 wasn't acceptable on a £12,490 car (535d M Sport), he looked the car over, thought it was great, well prep'd, recent tyres, brakes etc etc but still thought it was OK to only offer £12k with no real justification for doing so. Suffice to say he wasn't successful in buying the car and it sold at the asking price on Monday.
Some cars may be well priced, with no reasons to "knock" it when viewing (like low tyres/brakes etc) and should perhaps be snapped up or you'll miss them, others may be over-priced and negotiation is necessary but there's no hard and fast rule about it sorry.
Greenslade said:
V8KSN said:
I dont wish to appear rude or curt in my response but have you tried asking for a discount yourself?
I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Discounts are normally quoted in percentages, doesn't matter therefore what the price is.I am confused as to what response you are looking for.....if someone says they got a £10 discount or a £10,000 discount, what does that mean to you?
Is there a particular car you are looking at?
Am looking at 997's. Where i'm coming from is - if i ask for say 5% off will i upset the applecart.
I know you can ask and they can always say no, it would just be nice to see how the land lies with
Porsche dealers
I would certainly speak politely to any Dealer about what possible discounts might be available on a car I'm interested in, and take it from there. They're professional car dealers and certainly should'nt be insulted or surprised in you asking the question. Also, if you have a part-ex, the value they're willing to allow on your car could vary considerably, and then the price to change is the key figure.
The biggest discount I've obtained on a car was on a 996 turbo several years ago; the dealer who was selling the car, not one of the above, was selling it SOR for a customer and it had been for sale for several months at what I thought was a strong/high asking price; I went in with a figure many thousands less and the dealer initially turned it down; at this point, I said that was my final offer & I would walk, so he went to the owner of the car and explained the situation, and he reluctantly accepted my offer.
Just goes to show, never any harm in asking IMHO
As noted so far - if a cars fairly fresh in, then you'd be unlikely to get anything off. Any cars you're interested in in a dealers website usually has an ad on PH too, and you can tell from the ad age how long they've had the car for (unless the ads been refreshed, which resets the counter) and if it's been a while, you might get lucky.
The other thing to bear in mind is that some dealers won't discount much or at all as you're buying their aftercare as well as the car, which can often be more valuable than saving a bit off the 'sticker' price.
911Virgin have a discount scheme sort of built in to their business also.
The best thing is to look over the websites of all the dealers in question, weigh up similar cars if possible and the sort of warranty etc. offered, and see if it's worth trying it on. Or you could do that anyway, never hurts to ask.
The other thing to bear in mind is that some dealers won't discount much or at all as you're buying their aftercare as well as the car, which can often be more valuable than saving a bit off the 'sticker' price.
911Virgin have a discount scheme sort of built in to their business also.
The best thing is to look over the websites of all the dealers in question, weigh up similar cars if possible and the sort of warranty etc. offered, and see if it's worth trying it on. Or you could do that anyway, never hurts to ask.
Edited by STiG911 on Thursday 15th March 09:39
Greenslade said:
Discounts are normally quoted in percentages, doesn't matter therefore what the price is.
Am looking at 997's. Where i'm coming from is - if i ask for say 5% off will i upset the applecart.
I know you can ask and they can always say no, it would just be nice to see how the land lies with
Porsche dealers
Not where I'm from they ain't. You can't pay the bills with a pile of % notes. An undred pound is an undred pound.Am looking at 997's. Where i'm coming from is - if i ask for say 5% off will i upset the applecart.
I know you can ask and they can always say no, it would just be nice to see how the land lies with
Porsche dealers
Which of these approaches do you think wil work best:
1. I've had a good look round and like the car but the rear tyres are low, there's a service due in 4 months and there's another similar one for sale elsewhere for £500 less so would you accept £1000 less than the asking price if we shake hands now?
2. I've asked on pistonheads and they say I ought to get a 3.5% discount, which I calculate to be £980.
Hi
You've decided you want a specific vehicle (997) you have decided how much you want to spend on that vehicle (your Maximum)you have an idea what the "going" rate is for said vehicle so ....
Regardless of the Supplier of the vehicle (Main Dealer/Indie/Private seller) - Give them a call / go face to face with them and GET HAGGLING!!
No need to be stressing and hand wringing about upseting the seller - they want to sell at the end of the day as much as you want to buy - as long as you don't take the mickey and they obviously WILL move on the price - Deal done!
Don't see the problem to be honest!?
MF
You've decided you want a specific vehicle (997) you have decided how much you want to spend on that vehicle (your Maximum)you have an idea what the "going" rate is for said vehicle so ....
Regardless of the Supplier of the vehicle (Main Dealer/Indie/Private seller) - Give them a call / go face to face with them and GET HAGGLING!!
No need to be stressing and hand wringing about upseting the seller - they want to sell at the end of the day as much as you want to buy - as long as you don't take the mickey and they obviously WILL move on the price - Deal done!
Don't see the problem to be honest!?
MF
I can understand the OP. I'm not a great negotiator, so i often have doubts about whether i'm getting a good deal - a couple of times in the past i've found out (after the event) that i haven't.
I'm also sniffing about for a 911, and frankly find the whole price structure and it's relationship to the spec list utterly bewildering. Add the that the fact that at any one time you might see 5 identical cars, at 5 different dealers, with list prices 30% adrift of each other.
It's all very well saying "pay what it's worth to you" but that rings pretty hollow when you relaise 3 weeks later you paid over the odds by the price of a nice holiday. It's obfuscation of the same type that the phone companies carry out with their impenetrable tarrifs - confuse the buyer so much that it's impossible for them to determine value.
In fact, f
k it, i'll put it off till next year (again)
I'm also sniffing about for a 911, and frankly find the whole price structure and it's relationship to the spec list utterly bewildering. Add the that the fact that at any one time you might see 5 identical cars, at 5 different dealers, with list prices 30% adrift of each other.
It's all very well saying "pay what it's worth to you" but that rings pretty hollow when you relaise 3 weeks later you paid over the odds by the price of a nice holiday. It's obfuscation of the same type that the phone companies carry out with their impenetrable tarrifs - confuse the buyer so much that it's impossible for them to determine value.
In fact, f
k it, i'll put it off till next year (again)Just to go one stage further, if you're interested in a particular type of car and prepared to do your research, keep an eye on cars for sale and start writing them down, with details of vendor, registration plate etc. That way after a few months you will have a database of cars for sale, and good evidence of how long a particular car has been up for sale.
So you will know for sure that Gmund have had that car for sale for 6 months, have dropped the price twice and still can't sell it, you know the time is right for an almighty offer ...
Of course it is vital to know the car inside out, so you can with confidence offer a view on condition. That is an effective two pronged attack.
To expect a "discount" for no particular reason is naive.
So you will know for sure that Gmund have had that car for sale for 6 months, have dropped the price twice and still can't sell it, you know the time is right for an almighty offer ...
Of course it is vital to know the car inside out, so you can with confidence offer a view on condition. That is an effective two pronged attack.
To expect a "discount" for no particular reason is naive.
Catpuddle said:
Just to go one stage further, if you're interested in a particular type of car and prepared to do your research, keep an eye on cars for sale and start writing them down, with details of vendor, registration plate etc. That way after a few months you will have a database of cars for sale, and good evidence of how long a particular car has been up for sale.
This.The best way to pay the right price for a car is to watch the market and know what the right price should be.
Discounts are not always necesarry/applicable.
Edited by monthefish on Thursday 15th March 11:06
Catpuddle has a point there. I was watching the orangey Cayman at 911V for a bit and it seemed to be there for a while. Although not the right time for me, i may of seriously looked at that. Looked at it the other week and it had gone. Think it was there for at least a month maybe more.
I looked at a Cobalt Blue Cayman at Bournemouth OPC last year. Had it out for test drive but couldnt go through with deal. Was on the Porsche site for ages and saw it drop a fair bit by time it disappeared.
I looked at a Cobalt Blue Cayman at Bournemouth OPC last year. Had it out for test drive but couldnt go through with deal. Was on the Porsche site for ages and saw it drop a fair bit by time it disappeared.
monthefish said:
This.
The best way to pay the right price for a car is to watch the market and know what the right price should be.
Discounts are not always necesarry/applicable.
Yes, i agree market watching is always the best way to gain an understanding of 'value', however be aware that all the prices are offered prices not the sale prices, so there is still a margin of interpretation.The best way to pay the right price for a car is to watch the market and know what the right price should be.
Discounts are not always necesarry/applicable.
Edited by monthefish on Thursday 15th March 11:06
gibbon said:
Yes, i agree market watching is always the best way to gain an understanding of 'value', however be aware that all the prices are offered prices not the sale prices, so there is still a margin of interpretation.
I've been doing this, but i need to start writing it down to demonstrate how useless this approach is Over the last couple of months I've seen cars priced anywhere between £37k and £52k for almost exactly the same thing.
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