On a submarine...
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muppetdave

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2,118 posts

254 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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I'm just watching submarine patrol and I suspect I already know the answer, but thought I'd ask the font of all knowledge here.

When in a submarine and diving, do the submariner's ears pop? I assume not due to pressurisation etc but wondered if it's possible?

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Doesn't a submarine have normal atmospheric pressure inside the pressure hull? If so then I wouldn't expect any ears popping.

muppetdave

Original Poster:

2,118 posts

254 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Yeah that's my assumption, but didn't know definitive answer, so ta smile

Tango13

10,047 posts

205 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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If you read Edward Youngs book 'One of our Submarines' he describes how their ears would pop when the main hatch was opened after surfacing. The reason being the compressed air systems had tiny leaks that slowly pressurised the inside of the hull while dived but at such a slow rate that nobody noticed. When the hatch was opened the pressure equalised and their ears would pop.

Crafty_

14,048 posts

229 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Read this recently: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Wolves-Extraordinary-B...

In it there are examples of subs being pressurised to the extent that when when the hatch is opened people are sucked out, never to be seen again. Kind of like a cork out of a bottle.
It also says that they would sometimes voluntary pressurise the hull to a few pounds, helped stopped leaks or aid buoyancy.

Worth a read, back then a submarine was a dodgy place to be even if no-one was depth charging you.

jimboe39540i

31 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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yer, the subs are mostly at atmospheric pressure, you are right that there are HP air leaks but we simply start the air compressors which suck from inside the sub to top up the bottle groups, this reduces the pressure inside and keeps the bottle groups topped up. If there becomes a small pressure difference which is normally a slight vacuum (caused by not diving with the bottle groups fully charged up)then this is broken at every PD run. hope that helps (from an ex-RN submariner)

Robb F

4,614 posts

200 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Surely they would still pop as its hard to keep the pressure constant.

Same way an airliner's cabin is pressurised by your ears still pop on take off.

Just a guess.

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

230 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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A submariner once told me that in Diesel boats, they hated using the snorkel (snorting) - which was an air intake/exhaust mast they could raise to allow them to run the diesels to charge the batteries whilst remaining submerged. Apparently the snorkel would frequently become briefly submerged in which case the diesels would suck the air out of the inside of the boat causing rapid and painful drops in air pressure - and equally painful increases in pressure when the snorkel cleared the surface.

http://www.rnsubs.co.uk/Dits/Articles/snort.php

Take the tour of HMS Alliance at the Sumbarine Museam at Gosport if you get the chance. It's fasciniating and the tour guides are all ex-submariners - if they see you're interested you can get them talking they have some incredible stories.

deadtom

2,762 posts

194 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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Robb F said:
Surely they would still pop as its hard to keep the pressure constant.

Same way an airliner's cabin is pressurised by your ears still pop on take off.

Just a guess.
aircraft are pressurised to the equivalent of a few thousand feet (9000 i think?), so you still get pressure changes when ascending or descending.

HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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I'll ask my FIL, he's an ex nuclear sub commander and hopefully will know the answer.

Problem is he had a girl in every port and now lives in the US and he's some hours behind us, but question asked wink

HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Answer is that Subs keep the water pressure out, air pressure stays the same regardless of how deep you are.

And your ears don't pop.

OldJohnnyYen

1,455 posts

178 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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How do you keep radio communication with a submarine?

I know they transmit to a sub using the earth as a transmitter, they do this at 3hz don't they? Something the sub cant reciprocate so how do they talk back?

HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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I'll ask wink

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

291 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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OldJohnnyYen said:
How do you keep radio communication with a submarine?

I know they transmit to a sub using the earth as a transmitter, they do this at 3hz don't they? Something the sub cant reciprocate so how do they talk back?
Trailing a LONG wire behind them.

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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HoHoHo said:
Answer is that Subs keep the water pressure out, air pressure stays the same regardless of how deep you are.

And your ears don't pop.
Except that the sub shrinks slightly due to the massive pressures outside at depth...

HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Hooli said:
HoHoHo said:
Answer is that Subs keep the water pressure out, air pressure stays the same regardless of how deep you are.

And your ears don't pop.
Except that the sub shrinks slightly due to the massive pressures outside at depth...
Quite possibly, but my FIL didn't mention that bit wink

OldJohnnyYen

1,455 posts

178 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Hooli said:
Except that the sub shrinks slightly due to the massive pressures outside at depth...
Is that why the old ones would leak when they came to the surface? they where designed that way iirc.

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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OldJohnnyYen said:
Hooli said:
Except that the sub shrinks slightly due to the massive pressures outside at depth...
Is that why the old ones would leak when they came to the surface? they where designed that way iirc.
I believe so yup. I'm no expert but I seem to recall WW2 subs got about 1" smaller diameter wise at max depth.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

227 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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OldJohnnyYen said:
How do you keep radio communication with a submarine?

I know they transmit to a sub using the earth as a transmitter, they do this at 3hz don't they? Something the sub cant reciprocate so how do they talk back?
They deploy the seagull perch ;D hehe



HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Apparently they would come up to periscope depth and raise the wireless mast.

VLF signals are good down to about 150ft.

That would have been on the first Nuclear subs and the answer may have changed since then.