968 - Is It a ClubSport?
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I can't directly answer your question re reg or vin, but you could contact Stuart who runs 968uk.com as he maintains a fairly extensive database, which I think used to include vins.
Usual traits (not guaranteed provenance tho) clubsports will usually have keep fit windows, they don't have an electric boot release instead there's a pull lever behind the ns seat, and instead of a digital thermometer on the dash they have a digital stopwatch (as you do).
Granted you could fit these on a sport or coupe, but it's a fair amount of work to go to.
Usual traits (not guaranteed provenance tho) clubsports will usually have keep fit windows, they don't have an electric boot release instead there's a pull lever behind the ns seat, and instead of a digital thermometer on the dash they have a digital stopwatch (as you do).
Granted you could fit these on a sport or coupe, but it's a fair amount of work to go to.
BrewsterBear said:
I've been offered a 968 ClubSport in part-ex against a car I have for sale, but I'm not entirely sure it is a CS and not just a stripped back Coupé with a badge.
What's the easiest way to find out with the reg/VIN, etc.
Vin will not tell you if it's a sport or cs. Easiest way is by logbook. Mine states 968cs.What's the easiest way to find out with the reg/VIN, etc.
Also (unless optioned) cs has wind up windows, no rear seats, no air con, race seats (a comfort seat option was available but worth at least 2k less). No air on.
Cs has reduced soundproofing and no washer jets on headlamps.
I would carefully check any cs for previous body damage.
Full service history and cambelt change every 4 years or 48k.
Plus the cs from memory only came in four colours. Go white, maritime blue, black and speed yellow.
BrewsterBear said:
Cheers guys. If the V5 says CS on others then I'll rely on that plus the other indicators you've mentioned. As always with these things it's never easy to make the call on whether it's a good car or not. I've read about noisy pinions and Variocam chains, we'll just have to see...
Matter of interest whats he wanting to px it against?An excellent CS with race seats, v good history and less than 90k with decent cambelt changes is worth a minimum of 15k if the body is straight.
Appreciating classic that's for sure (whatever anyone without one tells you)
Wozy68 said:
BrewsterBear said:
Cheers guys. If the V5 says CS on others then I'll rely on that plus the other indicators you've mentioned. As always with these things it's never easy to make the call on whether it's a good car or not. I've read about noisy pinions and Variocam chains, we'll just have to see...
Matter of interest whats he wanting to px it against?An excellent CS with race seats, v good history and less than 90k with decent cambelt changes is worth a minimum of 15k if the body is straight.
Appreciating classic that's for sure (whatever anyone without one tells you)
thegoose said:
If you look under the bonnet a Coupe has a radiator cowl with a small flappy lid storage compartment. A ClubSport (or UK-only Sport) doesn't even have the mountings for this on the bodyshell.
/anorak
Aaah but, only the earliest coupes had this cowl/pocket for your protective gloves (as per my '92 coupe). Later ones didn't./anorak
/ even more anorak
BrewsterBear said:
My 996 C4S. I'm going back to running a two car operation for a number of reasons. The CS is about the only front-engined Porsche I'd consider and after 3 911s it'll make a change for a while.
Do I've had three 911s as well and I've loved every minute of my CS. Edited by Wozy68 on Saturday 21st January 23:30
My CS has factory AC and they come in a huge no of colours. I have CS friends with Signal Green, Purple, silver CS.
The 95 Euro cars can have electric windows to on the CS a bit like the UK Sport.
http://www.968cs.de/
The 95 Euro cars can have electric windows to on the CS a bit like the UK Sport.
http://www.968cs.de/
chfs911 said:
My CS has factory AC and they come in a huge no of colours. I have CS friends with Signal Green, Purple, silver CS.
The 95 Euro cars can have electric windows to on the CS a bit like the UK Sport.
http://www.968cs.de/
www.porsche968.co.uk sorry i was assuming we were talking UK speced carsThe 95 Euro cars can have electric windows to on the CS a bit like the UK Sport.
http://www.968cs.de/
Wozy68 said:
BrewsterBear said:
I've been offered a 968 ClubSport in part-ex against a car I have for sale, but I'm not entirely sure it is a CS and not just a stripped back Coupé with a badge.
What's the easiest way to find out with the reg/VIN, etc.
Vin will not tell you if it's a sport or cs. Easiest way is by logbook. Mine states 968cs.What's the easiest way to find out with the reg/VIN, etc.
Also (unless optioned) cs has wind up windows, no rear seats, no air con, race seats (a comfort seat option was available but worth at least 2k less). No air on.
Cs has reduced soundproofing and no washer jets on headlamps.
I would carefully check any cs for previous body damage.
Full service history and cambelt change every 4 years or 48k.
Plus the cs from memory only came in four colours. Go white, maritime blue, black and speed yellow.
wtdoom said:
No offence to you or your car wozzy68 but ABSOLUTELY DO NOT buy a car based on what its called on the log book . ive seen all kinds of blubber written by those freaks in dvla over the years ...
Absolutely agree. I would not either, but I would rue even more cautious if it wasn't there in the first place.Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 22 January 09:06
BrewsterBear said:
blade7 said:
BrewsterBear said:
The CS is about the only front-engined Porsche I'd consider.
The reason for this is what exactly ?.
Edited by blade7 on Sunday 22 January 11:00
So, it definitely is a CS and it's been sat in my garage (bar a little run on a dry night) for the last week, until a good drive today...
What a car! I know it's a cliché, but it genuinely is supremely balanced. I took it onto some of my favourite B-roads today to stretch its legs and find out what's what. As my confidence grew I started to try to upset the balance and whichever way you try it forgives you without question. Provoking understeer is incredibly difficult and soon countered if you want. Oversteer is the most progressive I've ever experienced and so easy, not only to catch, but to hold and power out of too.
This car benefits from having had all bushes replaced recently and I'm surprised at how compliant the suspension is for an out-of-the-box "track car." This has the standard set up, not MO30, and I think this softer ride than expected actually helps the handling. If it was a trackday car then it might benefit from a harder setup, but on the pot holed roads of rural Lincs it really is refreshing to drive a car that doesn't shake your fillings out. Not to mention I'm not a trackday kinda guy, although I'm seriously considering it in this car.
The engine fires into life and, even outside the car, it's quiet. Spookily quiet. No tappet noise, no chain noise, no gruff exhaust note just a quiet hum in the cabin to let you know that it is running. Setting off and driving gently while it warms up can be quite underwhelming. You get a bit more engine noise from the front and some transmission noise from behind through the reduced soundproofing, but you can't help wondering where those 240 horses are. Once warmed through as you open it up past 4k rpm all of a sudden it not only gives you a stiff kick in the pants, but the engine note comes alive shouting at you to push it on. It really is so free revving and it honestly seems to will you to grab it by the scruff harder and harder. I've never driven a Vtec (YO), but having read about them I'd be very surprised if Honda didn't steal the idea from this car. It sings to you through the bulkhead and laps it up.
The gearbox is precise and has a lovely snick, if the throw is a little long across the gate. The ratios are spot on though as long as you are prepared to shift down far enough before committing to a corner. It really does need to be over 4k revs to give you the ability to play. The build quality is second to none. I've had two air-cooled 911s and I'd say it feels even better screwed together than the 993 and miles ahead of the 996. You forget just how satisfying the thunk of a proper Porsche door closing is.
Will I be keeping it? Right now, I'm not sure. The MoT is due in June so I'll keep it until May at least before giving it a full service and test at my indy. It is a fantastic car and more than I'd hoped for. If it had another 100 horses it could really tempt me to keep for a good while longer, but I'm not sure how well received a supercharger on a CS would be should I ever come to sell. That, and I'm not sure if that niggle will stop whispering in my ear "it's not a 911..."
What a car! I know it's a cliché, but it genuinely is supremely balanced. I took it onto some of my favourite B-roads today to stretch its legs and find out what's what. As my confidence grew I started to try to upset the balance and whichever way you try it forgives you without question. Provoking understeer is incredibly difficult and soon countered if you want. Oversteer is the most progressive I've ever experienced and so easy, not only to catch, but to hold and power out of too.
This car benefits from having had all bushes replaced recently and I'm surprised at how compliant the suspension is for an out-of-the-box "track car." This has the standard set up, not MO30, and I think this softer ride than expected actually helps the handling. If it was a trackday car then it might benefit from a harder setup, but on the pot holed roads of rural Lincs it really is refreshing to drive a car that doesn't shake your fillings out. Not to mention I'm not a trackday kinda guy, although I'm seriously considering it in this car.
The engine fires into life and, even outside the car, it's quiet. Spookily quiet. No tappet noise, no chain noise, no gruff exhaust note just a quiet hum in the cabin to let you know that it is running. Setting off and driving gently while it warms up can be quite underwhelming. You get a bit more engine noise from the front and some transmission noise from behind through the reduced soundproofing, but you can't help wondering where those 240 horses are. Once warmed through as you open it up past 4k rpm all of a sudden it not only gives you a stiff kick in the pants, but the engine note comes alive shouting at you to push it on. It really is so free revving and it honestly seems to will you to grab it by the scruff harder and harder. I've never driven a Vtec (YO), but having read about them I'd be very surprised if Honda didn't steal the idea from this car. It sings to you through the bulkhead and laps it up.
The gearbox is precise and has a lovely snick, if the throw is a little long across the gate. The ratios are spot on though as long as you are prepared to shift down far enough before committing to a corner. It really does need to be over 4k revs to give you the ability to play. The build quality is second to none. I've had two air-cooled 911s and I'd say it feels even better screwed together than the 993 and miles ahead of the 996. You forget just how satisfying the thunk of a proper Porsche door closing is.
Will I be keeping it? Right now, I'm not sure. The MoT is due in June so I'll keep it until May at least before giving it a full service and test at my indy. It is a fantastic car and more than I'd hoped for. If it had another 100 horses it could really tempt me to keep for a good while longer, but I'm not sure how well received a supercharger on a CS would be should I ever come to sell. That, and I'm not sure if that niggle will stop whispering in my ear "it's not a 911..."
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