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Ahh ... but what are the chances that after a few years statistics would show that automatically driven vehicles are safer than those driven by braindead tw@ts ... so no-one's allowed to drive any longer, only computers
Or after a fatal accident in the early stages of introduction the statistics would show it to be the least safest form of transport and it will be banned....no I didn't think so either
Harry
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Ahh ... but what are the chances that after a few years statistics would show that automatically driven vehicles are safer than those driven by braindead tw@ts ... so no-one's allowed to drive any longer, only computers
And don't forget computers have crashed 13 Airbusses to date (although the french airbus Mafia tries to blame others!)..........
KOMPUTER VOICE "pull-up, pull-up... pull-up"
PILOT "I'm trying to you berk"
Komputer "the engine have been shut down as you're not allowed to use full thrust on full flap"
Pilot "Shit" ....... loud noises.... silence
Actual wording from the radio directly before the Rixheim (Mulhouse) crash where the pilot tried to apply full thrust and it only came in 15 seconds after he physically pulled full throttle, by which time he was "doing a grasscutter" with the trees...... Result of the french government enquiry (after they'de changed the investigating judge TWICE because he'd found out too much) pilot error! BULLSHIT! Same result with the Odilienberg crash (Strasbourg)....Nuff said?
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 24th May 07:56
A schoolfriend of mine is now a professor at Southampton Uni doing advanced research into computer controlled cars - everything you're worried about is either possible, under test, or already in the pipeline.
I think I'll get him to look at this thread to see what sort of reaction his labours might receive...
I think I'll get him to look at this thread to see what sort of reaction his labours might receive...
It'll never happen, because it's politically unacceptable to remove the freedom to drive, and it isn't safe to hand over full control to a computer (as demonstrated by example below). Also, if I'm still driving my non-computerised TVR in 20 years, they will have to pay me to remove it from the road, or to have the computers installed. Because not everyone can afford to buy a new car when asked to by HMG. And cars last a long time...
I need a computer to drive my car...
...like I need a hole in the head!!!
Computers have errors, blue screens of death and the such like! All computers work to algorithms, If an event isn't in an algorithm, it can't do anything about it!! And what about Ice? How can you program a computer to drive a car on Ice without damaging everycar in the street?!
As JMGS4 said, the computers buggered up on AirBuses, how many cars have to crash before they get comp controlled cars perfect!
A computer is only as intelligent as it's operator/programmer, they can't learn as they go along, they must be told in advance what to do in a certain situation!
Personally I feel to many things can go wrong!!
...like I need a hole in the head!!!
Computers have errors, blue screens of death and the such like! All computers work to algorithms, If an event isn't in an algorithm, it can't do anything about it!! And what about Ice? How can you program a computer to drive a car on Ice without damaging everycar in the street?!
As JMGS4 said, the computers buggered up on AirBuses, how many cars have to crash before they get comp controlled cars perfect!
A computer is only as intelligent as it's operator/programmer, they can't learn as they go along, they must be told in advance what to do in a certain situation!
Personally I feel to many things can go wrong!!
Re the probs on airbuses - which pillock thought it would be a good idea to let French electrics control anything important? It's not surprising they crashed, what is suprising is the bloody electrics worked for long enough to get the plane off the ground in the first place. I've said it before, and I'll say it again 
but would you really get in a French car that relied on it's electrics to stop/steer/do anything else important? I know I bloody wouldn't.
but would you really get in a French car that relied on it's electrics to stop/steer/do anything else important? I know I bloody wouldn't.It would be a bloody enormous challenge to make a car drive itself the way that we do it, i.e. have some kind of electronic eye that can read the road, look out for OAPs and kids on bikes etc .... but if you put some of the gubbins in the road itself it might be relatively easy to make a car cruise down a motorway on auto pilot. I for one can see some merit in that scheme as it is a pretty boring place to be driving anyway. It would be quite good if you could drive the car onto the motorway and then flip a switch so that you could join a fast-moving packet of traffic on auto-pilot and read the newspaper, pick your nose or whatever.
Slightly OT, but when I was at school about 5 years ago, I had to read a book for my english GCSE called 1984!
The very very veyr scarey thing is, most of what is happening in this country and the way the country and the technology is changing was in this book!
Cars. Computer controlled, you just sit in them and they take you where you want to go!
This book was slightly extreme in that the cities and the country were divided and controlled by there own government, I preferred the country because you were allowed cars which burned hydrocarbons the way they should be burned!
It's strange how books printed years and years ago are so close to reality!
The very very veyr scarey thing is, most of what is happening in this country and the way the country and the technology is changing was in this book!
Cars. Computer controlled, you just sit in them and they take you where you want to go!
This book was slightly extreme in that the cities and the country were divided and controlled by there own government, I preferred the country because you were allowed cars which burned hydrocarbons the way they should be burned!
It's strange how books printed years and years ago are so close to reality!
Because driving takes into consideration so many different variables that are subject to change on a constant basis it would be very difficult to implement these changes.
For example - changes in weather, road wear, vehicle wear, "acts of God", wild animals on roads, etc, etc. As said before computers require programming and therefore the information that would have to be loaded would be amazingly large due to the amount of variables. However the largest variable is OTHER DRIVERS. For any system to work all other drivers would require computer control.
Secondly, computer systems on roads like motorways have the potential to work - but only if they are controlled by a central super computer.
A central computer would be able to control all of the cars on a stretch of road because it could set a blanket speed that none would exceed or fall under, set the distance between cars, etc, etc. the question is then raised again - if an unforseen variant occours to we rely upon the computer to get us out of trouble? Also, what happens if the main computer crashes? Would that mean no travel on certain roads or no travel at all?
My final point is that any system like this would have to be implemented across the whole country to allow the number of variants to be controlled (to a degree). If it is not then some people will still be in un-controlled cars and therefore produce extra variables for the controlled cars.
In closing, I think that some modes of transport could be controlled centrally - such as monorails, etc - but at this present moment I think that technology needs to advance much further. Furthermore, we currently all enjoy "some" freedom here and many people would lobby against losing their freedom to drive.
Finished at last - sorry it's a bit long!!
For example - changes in weather, road wear, vehicle wear, "acts of God", wild animals on roads, etc, etc. As said before computers require programming and therefore the information that would have to be loaded would be amazingly large due to the amount of variables. However the largest variable is OTHER DRIVERS. For any system to work all other drivers would require computer control.
Secondly, computer systems on roads like motorways have the potential to work - but only if they are controlled by a central super computer.
A central computer would be able to control all of the cars on a stretch of road because it could set a blanket speed that none would exceed or fall under, set the distance between cars, etc, etc. the question is then raised again - if an unforseen variant occours to we rely upon the computer to get us out of trouble? Also, what happens if the main computer crashes? Would that mean no travel on certain roads or no travel at all?
My final point is that any system like this would have to be implemented across the whole country to allow the number of variants to be controlled (to a degree). If it is not then some people will still be in un-controlled cars and therefore produce extra variables for the controlled cars.
In closing, I think that some modes of transport could be controlled centrally - such as monorails, etc - but at this present moment I think that technology needs to advance much further. Furthermore, we currently all enjoy "some" freedom here and many people would lobby against losing their freedom to drive.
Finished at last - sorry it's a bit long!!
Tvradict, spot on there with George Orwells finest. I do have to say that 1984's Britain sounds more like America now "a totalitarian country with a maintained state of emergency to keep the status quo". A neverending war on which to distract people and a focus for blame? Scary how much Orwell got right.
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It would be a bloody enormous challenge to make a car drive itself the way that we do it, i.e. have some kind of electronic eye that can read the road, look out for OAPs and kids on bikes etc .... but if you put some of the gubbins in the road itself it might be relatively easy to make a car cruise down a motorway on auto pilot. I for one can see some merit in that scheme as it is a pretty boring place to be driving anyway. It would be quite good if you could drive the car onto the motorway and then flip a switch so that you could join a fast-moving packet of traffic on auto-pilot and read the newspaper, pick your nose or whatever.
If I remember rightly the Yanks have already done this as a test. Saw it on Beyond 2000, a whole bunch of lead sleds nose to tail in a special lane, a meter apart, controlled by the car and road combined, but US-logically only one person per 2.5 tonne US gasguzzling crapbox!!!
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