'New York Soup Co.' soup - can you find a saltier soup?
'New York Soup Co.' soup - can you find a saltier soup?
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FaineantFreddy

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8,577 posts

265 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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We tend to avoid giving Tesco any of our money, but the OH had to go there yesterday to get something none of the other shops near us stock and she unwittingly picked up a tub of 'New York Soup Co.' corn chowder soup.

New York Soup Co. describe their range as a "delicious range of soups inspired by the delis and soup bars of the famous Big Apple". In fact, they are one of Tesco's own brands.

So today I'm feeling peckish and with not much else to eat in the fridge, I give it a go.

My soup tasting went a bit like this: yumlickfrownredfaceconfusedeekhurlcryfuriousirkedranting

One spoonful was quite enough, thank you Mr Tesco. Oh, er, I mean Mr 'New York Soup Co.' rolleyes

This soup contains 4.0g of salt per 600ml tub. It is inedible (and I really like salt!). I cannot believe, when they were making it, that someone would have thought that soup tasted nice.

Do you know of a soup with more salt? If so, I'm interested to hear if it actually tastes OK.

I shall be reminding the OH that Tesco is an evil place and she should not set foot in there ever, ever again.

0a

24,132 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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What's "salt equivalent”? Heinz tomato soup contains 0.6g/100g, which is 3.6g for the same potion as your Tesco soup.



I find the amount of sugar in breakfast cereals most surprising.

Mobile Chicane

21,974 posts

240 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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^^^ Huh?

How can the 'salt equivalent' equate to more than the amount of sodium?

Unless... 'sodium' refers to the amount of added salt, and 'salt equivalent' includes the sodium naturally contained by the soup ingredients, perhaps?

If so, doubly damning if the 'salt' in the OPs soup is added.

hidetheelephants

35,541 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Write/phone and complain; they'll probably give you a voucher, although that's of limited use if Tesco are not to your taste.

Saul Goode

61 posts

218 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:


How can the 'salt equivalent' equate to more than the amount of sodium?
Nutrition analysis only checks for sodium levels, and then is multiplied by 2.54 to get the projected salt content; hence salt equivalent.

Added salt would be included in this, and would be identified on the ingredient declaration.

HTH

DoctorX

8,168 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:
^^^ Huh?

How can the 'salt equivalent' equate to more than the amount of sodium?

Unless... 'sodium' refers to the amount of added salt, and 'salt equivalent' includes the sodium naturally contained by the soup ingredients, perhaps?

If so, doubly damning if the 'salt' in the OPs soup is added.
There's 0.6 g of salt, of which 0.2 g is sodium, 0.4 g chloride.

Mobile Chicane

21,974 posts

240 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Saul Goode said:
Mobile Chicane said:


How can the 'salt equivalent' equate to more than the amount of sodium?
Nutrition analysis only checks for sodium levels, and then is multiplied by 2.54 to get the projected salt content; hence salt equivalent.

Added salt would be included in this, and would be identified on the ingredient declaration.

HTH
Where does the multiplier of 2.54 come from? (Sorry, I've forgotten all of my A-Level chemistry.)

Is it universal? Your multiplier applied to the sodium values on the tomato soup label quoted above, means that 0.2g of sodium equates to 0.51g equivalent salt - yet the tomato soup label states the equivalent salt value as 0.6g.

Sorry to be a nit-picker, however (given the gubberments health campaigns claiming Salt = The Bogeyman), I think the public need greater transparency on this issue.

Incidentally, who do you work for? Are you perhaps under-claiming the salt levels in your products? wink

Edited by Mobile Chicane on Monday 24th October 00:04

Simpo Two

92,568 posts

293 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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DoctorX said:
There's 0.6 g of salt, of which 0.2 g is sodium, 0.4 g chloride.
Not quite, you need to compare atomic weights:

Na: 22.9
Cl: 35.5

http://www.ptable.com/

Flibble

6,538 posts

209 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:
Where does the multiplier of 2.54 come from? (Sorry, I've forgotten all of my A-Level chemistry.)
Salt is NaCl, i.e. half the salt is sodium atoms and half is chlorine. From the link above the relative atomic masses are 23.0 for sodium (simpo misrounded it; it's given as 22.989 which rounds to 23.0) and 35.5 for chlorine.
The relative molecular mass for salt is then 23.0 + 35.5 = 58.5. If you divide the mass of sodium by the mass of salt you get 23.0/58.5 = 2.54.
Hence the 2.54 multiplier.

calibrax

4,788 posts

239 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Bear in mind that the sodium x 2.54 may not equal the 'salt equivalent' number, simply because not all the sodium will be coming from salt - there are likely to be other sodium compounds present (sodium bicarbonate, MSG etc.) In which case the multiplier would need to be different.

Saul Goode

61 posts

218 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:
Your multiplier applied to the sodium values on the tomato soup label quoted above, means that 0.2g of sodium equates to 0.51g equivalent salt - yet the tomato soup label states the equivalent salt value as 0.6g.
0.2 is rounded to the nearest single decimal place, in this case the figure will be around 0.23 as when it is multiplied by 2.54 you get 0.58 which is then rounded to 0.6.


I have worked for a number of food manufacturers within Yorkshire, and salt figures are high on the agenda. The guidelines for salt reduction are quite strict, and a reduction is demanded by most of the retailers.

Currently in the cake making business, and even they struggle to keep sodium content down due to baking powder etc.

Fatbloke

396 posts

308 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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i tell you the one out of the vending mschine here just tastes of salt

it's supposed to be cream of Veg bu it's salty central

markreilly

795 posts

200 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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hidetheelephants said:
Write/phone and complain; they'll probably give you a voucher, although that's of limited use if Tesco are not to your taste.
Ha Ha, voucher ? i have been trying to stop TESCO'S Ireland sending me unsolicited emails on 4 seperate occaisions and quess what i'm getting them again,no proper apology,no vouchers,they have the cheek to keep telling me i have signed up with them for e mails which i haven't.....Grrrrrr

FaineantFreddy

Original Poster:

8,577 posts

265 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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There's an initiative the Dept of Health have - "Public Health Responsibility Deal" which contains a load of woolly, badly-defined, ambiguous statements like this one:

http://responsibilitydeal.dh.gov.uk/f2-salt-reduct...

"We commit to the salt targets for the end of 2012 agreed by the Responsibility Deal, which collectively will deliver a further 15% reduction on 2010 targets. For some products this will require acceptable technical solutions which we are working to achieve. These targets will give a total salt reduction of nearly 1g per person per day compared to 2007 levels in food. We recognise that achieving the public health goal of consuming no more than 6g of salt per person per day will necessitate action across the whole industry, Government, NGOs and individuals."

Tesco have signed up to this "salt reduction pledge" but still feel the need to release a line of very mediocre soups which are saltier than an anchovy's armpit. All I can think is that the soup tasted of absolutely nothing, so they had to dump a bucket of salt in it to make it taste of something (in this case, salt).

Still, it's good for killing slugs.

Simpo Two

92,568 posts

293 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Well I suppose you could spend the next five years fighting Tesco and get nowhere, or just buy a different soup smile