GTR as a daily driver
GTR as a daily driver
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rj1986

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1,107 posts

191 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Hey all.

I've recently moved house and jobs.
I've also got a pay rise (wahey!) and am looking to upgrade a car.

As i live out in the countryside, where the snow and ice tends to be quite bad, so was looking for 4x4, something like a RRS or a5/s5. But the lure of a GTR is very alluring.

My new job will be 3 days a-roads and b-roads, and 2 days m25, as opposed to a 90 minute commute on the train and tube.

Essentially- I'm asking is a GTR a suitable daily driver car? It will be 10k a year, so im asking about MPG, servicing, tyres etc.

Insurance is another thing- did a quick comparison site and got it for £1500, 25 years old, 7yrs, 6ncb, in HP19, garaged at night. In people's opinion- whats a realistic price?

Thanks
Rich

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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theres a grey one and a white one near me that i see every day driving about in the morning and evening. so i guess they'll be fine.

just remember to disable those gas popper struts!!

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 24th October 17:22

bazza1000

294 posts

175 months

Sunday 23rd October 2011
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Go for it if you can, awesome cars!!!! You will have a massive smile on your face constantly driving one of them everyday.

davidd

6,666 posts

307 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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I've been using mine everyday since I got it (only a month ago).... Seems reasonably straightforward to me!

W8PMC

3,385 posts

261 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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rj1986 said:
Hey all.

I've recently moved house and jobs.
I've also got a pay rise (wahey!) and am looking to upgrade a car.

As i live out in the countryside, where the snow and ice tends to be quite bad, so was looking for 4x4, something like a RRS or a5/s5. But the lure of a GTR is very alluring.

My new job will be 3 days a-roads and b-roads, and 2 days m25, as opposed to a 90 minute commute on the train and tube.

Essentially- I'm asking is a GTR a suitable daily driver car? It will be 10k a year, so im asking about MPG, servicing, tyres etc.

Insurance is another thing- did a quick comparison site and got it for £1500, 25 years old, 7yrs, 6ncb, in HP19, garaged at night. In people's opinion- whats a realistic price?

Thanks
Rich
The GT-R is not 4x4 so if that's a requirement given you're in the sticks then a RRS or Quattro is a better bet. I live in a small village (up North) & we had some very bad snow last year. The GT-R ended up stuck in front of my house many times & is next to useless in the snow. Have a Q5 alongside & that was perfect.

As for running costs, you're probably doing very well with a £1500 insurance quote given your age so i doubt you'd see much less than that. Give Competition Car Insurance (CCI) a call as they are the prefered insurer for GT-R's. Other costs such as servicing, MPG & tyres are what you'd expect for such a car, however it's a bit of an annoyance that the service intervals are 6K miles/6mths. Average MPG is high teens/low 20's depending on your driving mix so on a motorway cruise at around 80mph you'll easily see 26-27mpg but when you bury the loud pedal you can see the fuel needle movesmile

rj1986

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1,107 posts

191 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Cheers for all the advice.

my heart says "go..give them money..NOW!!"

My head says "stop it! Or buy shares in Shell first!"

Really gonna have to have a long hard think about this one.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

221 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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think with the heart... not the head!

guy10

90 posts

241 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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Hi There
Bought mine new in June 2009, currently has 39k on the clock - it's a great everyday car. If you don't track it the running costs are "as advertised". Completely disagree with the snow comment - I also live in a small village oop north and I thought it was brilliant last year, and I've bought a set of Blizzack winter tyres for this year.

You know you want to....

rj1986

Original Poster:

1,107 posts

191 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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guy10 said:
Hi There
Bought mine new in June 2009, currently has 39k on the clock - it's a great everyday car. If you don't track it the running costs are "as advertised". Completely disagree with the snow comment - I also live in a small village oop north and I thought it was brilliant last year, and I've bought a set of Blizzack winter tyres for this year.

You know you want to....
I really, really, REALLY want to.
Plus the fact its cheaper to insure than a m3 or a5 3.0 tdi and half the price of an evo!

How was it on snow?
I had a look on GTR forums and the tyres have to be imported?
Also, what are the day-to-day niggles of owning it (apart from 6 month servicing, expensive tyres, pads etc) and petrol?

Ta

christer

2,804 posts

274 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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rj1986 said:
I really, really, REALLY want to.
Plus the fact its cheaper to insure than a m3 or a5 3.0 tdi and half the price of an evo!

How was it on snow?
I had a look on GTR forums and the tyres have to be imported?
Also, what are the day-to-day niggles of owning it (apart from 6 month servicing, expensive tyres, pads etc) and petrol?

Ta
Hi Rj

I have owned a 2009 GTR for about 16 months now and it is my only car although not a daily driver per se as I live near and work in Canary Wharf. Here is my advice in terms of ownership as you seem to have some erroneous information re tyres etc:

First of all, if I had to use Nissan for servicing etc. I probably would not own the car now, due to extortionate servicing costs and some bullst they come out with occasionally. For example, there are 2 tyres approved for use (but other options - more on this later) - these are Dunlops and Bridgestone runflats. I had Dunlops on mine when I bought the car and these are only available from Nissan dealers at around £550 a pop in the UK - mainly because Nissan have purchased all the supply from Dunlop and are strangling the market. As you have read, these can be imported from the US (Tirerack) but most have found they come out at just sub £2k depending on exchange rates etc - perhaps £1850 for 4 if lucky with the rate. Bridgestones however are available from many UK tyre dealers including Camskill, Eevent tyres and Kwik Fit etc - and I had 4 new Brisgestone RE070 RFT's fitted at Kwik Fit in early July for £1200 all in. Pricing does vary, but in general budget around £350 per tyre depending on the deal you get. Bridgies are probably 90% as good as Dunlops in the dry once you get temps up - and better in the wet. They would probably also be better in snow - although I haven't had the opportunity to try obviously (fitted July). My front Dunlops lasted around 16k miles - my car is not tracked - and the rears probably about 12k miles. Bridgies should be a bit better but depends on driving style. There are other options for tyres, namely the R888's for people who track the car but these would be far from ideal in winter I would have thought - and also a bit poor in heavy rain perhaps - I haven't tried them personally because I don't track the car so don't fit my usage. You can also use Yoko Advans (I think V103'2 if I remember correctly) but these are not RFT's can be had fitted for about £1000 but are probably only 80% as good as the Bridgies, and they have a far softer sidewall so the car is not as composed but ride comofrt is much better. Certainly an option for a road-only car as they will be good in the wet - but I went for Bridgies at only £1200. You wwould also have to carry some tyre puncture gel kit of course.

You may have read this already, but luckily there is a great indy who knows the GTR inside out and better than any Nissan HPC I have been to. They are called Litchfield Imports - and is run by a nice chap called Iain Litchfield. I live in London and travel the 110 mile each-way trip to Litchfields near Shrewsbury every 6 months for servicing. They have all the Nissan Consult gear and so on and using them for servicing will not affect warranty. They offer OEM parts, or will also use better quality oils on request as I do. I for example use Pnetosin FFL-4 Gearbox fluid, Nismo diff oil and Motul full synth 5-50W engine oil. In short, using Litchfields will cost you around 50-60% of the service cost at an HPC - for example the 24 month service I had in May cost around £520 instead of £960 as quoted by my local Nissan HPC's. You can see the service schedule and costs at Litchfields here: http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/GTR_Servicing_p... - and you can just double the cost roughly with Nissan.....

Litchfields are renowned in the GTR and other high performance Jap car world and also have a very complete tuning programme - don't look too closely at their website...haha. The good thing is that having your service book stamped by them does in no way detract from the car's value - probably the opposite.

Litchfields have other options in terms of discs and pads as well, so when you get to the point that you need both you can probably upgrade to Alcons with suitable pads for around half the price of the far inferior Nissan items that Nissan use.

In terms of extended warranty, as far as I know Nissan has not announced any details yet, but I expect that Litchfields will run their own and should be reasonable and should include tuned cars (by them) as well. Don't quote me, but I do expect this will happen.

Obviusly I don't mind a trek to Shrewsbury, but I don't know where you are based - I do know that people do travel quite far to use Litchfields - but there are clearly limits. Just remember that if you cannot use Litchfields or say SVM (Severn Valley Motorsports) then you need to factor a larger budget in for maintenance.

Having said all that, the GTR is an awesome machine in many ways. Yes, the flywheel and transmission rattle and clunk a bit - almost reminds me of my old 964 with the LWF (sort of a gentle coffee grinder sound to a point) - but the auto gear mode on mine is very smooth (ok, not quite S class Mercedes) and of course manual race mode is epic. The problem I find is that like most cars in this category, it has much too much performance in most situations to use - but one manages! biggrin

So to sum up - I do about 7-8k per year including some long trips to Scandinavia and Europe a few times per year. The car is reliable by all accounts, although a small number suffer from a failed "bell housing" on the tranny somewhere (or was it diff?) which Nissan replace under warranty. I would recommend getting a car that has not missed any services and has been used regularly - mileage is not so much of an issue - mine has done 18.5k miles now and still seems to be hardly run in - still loosening up a little imho. Just make sure that you get all the facts together with running costs and whether you can use and Indy, I get around the same mpg as I did in my old BMW550 which had 100bhp less so am happy, and with you doing 10k miles it shouldn't be too bad.

I hope this helps, I spent a lot of time researching before and after purchasing the car so that I had as much info as possible. Owning a GTR is not as hasslefree as a BMW for example, but is pretty easy to live with considering the performance. I pay £1100 in London (high risk area), 40 years old (:O ) and full NCB with Competition Car Insurance.

Feel free to send PM's with more questions if you need to - I personally found the proposition of ownership a little concerning at first - partially because I used to have a BMW550, 996GT3 mk1 and a 964 - and I was switching to this as my *only* car - but mainly due to the st that that the dealers gave me - like "new discs and pads sir? yes, that would be £6k" or "no, you can't fit Bridgestones because it would void your warranty" and so on.....utter bullcrap basically. With the support from Litchfield and others like SVM I don't have the same level of concern at all.

Lastly I should state clearly that I am not affiliated in any way with Litchfields or SVM, just a happy customer.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.


rj1986

Original Poster:

1,107 posts

191 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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Thanks for the info.

I have been reading up on litchfields- they sound very promising, and have no qulms about using indy's. Infact i use one at the moment (PMW in essex for my 120d. Quoted my £115 as opposed to over £400 from Sytner).

Im am so so tempted now it's not even funny. I have my eye on one from a nissan dealer not too far from me, for a snip under £40k.
I'll let you all know if i choose to proceed, or wimp out and get a range rover diesel.

Smifffy

2,000 posts

289 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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It'll simply be the best decision you ever make.

I get 15.4 mpg combining mad ones and motorway driving.

As an everyday driver it's superb. If you're feeling lazy just stick the dampers to comfort and the box in auto and cruise. It still feels utterly special like this, but when you get frisky just go for race mode. Good god.

Be aware the car is big and wide. It doesn't drive like this until you come to a width restrictor. Most of the time it feels v nimble and agile. As the previous poster said (superb post by the way) the flywheel and gearbox chatter at idle. On he move the v6 is melodic and muscular. It'll do 25 mph to 194 in 6th...

Not sure I can tell you just how happy this car will make you. It's that good.

W8PMC

3,385 posts

261 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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guy10 said:
Hi There
Bought mine new in June 2009, currently has 39k on the clock - it's a great everyday car. If you don't track it the running costs are "as advertised". Completely disagree with the snow comment - I also live in a small village oop north and I thought it was brilliant last year, and I've bought a set of Blizzack winter tyres for this year.

You know you want to....
Your snow must have been far less hardcore than mine as low speed the car was terrible (on the move it was fine). This year if snow is forecast then the GT-R will be staying in the garage. Would never invest in Winter tyres as can use the Q5 when weather less that favourable.

Was caught out twice last year & both times it took over an hour to gradually get the car from in front of my house to the garage round the back. No worse than the M5 i'd had a few years before, but the RS4 in snow was never a problem.

Hardly a reason not to buy unless you get alot of snow & even then i'd follow the lead & get winter tyres as it's the GT-R's tyres that make it struggle in snow.

OldBob

290 posts

182 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Christer, pretty much sums it up. Except Litchfields is near Tewkesbury not Shrewsbury smile
re tyres and winter, if you want to use in the snow any car benefits from Winter tyres. I was running rings round 4x4's with summer boots in a Clio with winters last snow time, with the GTR nicely tucked up in the garage.
Get one, they're monstrously capable cars.

W8PMC

3,385 posts

261 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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christer said:
Hi Rj

I have owned a 2009 GTR for about 16 months now and it is my only car although not a daily driver per se as I live near and work in Canary Wharf. Here is my advice in terms of ownership as you seem to have some erroneous information re tyres etc:

First of all, if I had to use Nissan for servicing etc. I probably would not own the car now, due to extortionate servicing costs and some bullst they come out with occasionally. For example, there are 2 tyres approved for use (but other options - more on this later) - these are Dunlops and Bridgestone runflats. I had Dunlops on mine when I bought the car and these are only available from Nissan dealers at around £550 a pop in the UK - mainly because Nissan have purchased all the supply from Dunlop and are strangling the market. As you have read, these can be imported from the US (Tirerack) but most have found they come out at just sub £2k depending on exchange rates etc - perhaps £1850 for 4 if lucky with the rate. Bridgestones however are available from many UK tyre dealers including Camskill, Eevent tyres and Kwik Fit etc - and I had 4 new Brisgestone RE070 RFT's fitted at Kwik Fit in early July for £1200 all in. Pricing does vary, but in general budget around £350 per tyre depending on the deal you get. Bridgies are probably 90% as good as Dunlops in the dry once you get temps up - and better in the wet. They would probably also be better in snow - although I haven't had the opportunity to try obviously (fitted July). My front Dunlops lasted around 16k miles - my car is not tracked - and the rears probably about 12k miles. Bridgies should be a bit better but depends on driving style. There are other options for tyres, namely the R888's for people who track the car but these would be far from ideal in winter I would have thought - and also a bit poor in heavy rain perhaps - I haven't tried them personally because I don't track the car so don't fit my usage. You can also use Yoko Advans (I think V103'2 if I remember correctly) but these are not RFT's can be had fitted for about £1000 but are probably only 80% as good as the Bridgies, and they have a far softer sidewall so the car is not as composed but ride comofrt is much better. Certainly an option for a road-only car as they will be good in the wet - but I went for Bridgies at only £1200. You wwould also have to carry some tyre puncture gel kit of course.

You may have read this already, but luckily there is a great indy who knows the GTR inside out and better than any Nissan HPC I have been to. They are called Litchfield Imports - and is run by a nice chap called Iain Litchfield. I live in London and travel the 110 mile each-way trip to Litchfields near Shrewsbury every 6 months for servicing. They have all the Nissan Consult gear and so on and using them for servicing will not affect warranty. They offer OEM parts, or will also use better quality oils on request as I do. I for example use Pnetosin FFL-4 Gearbox fluid, Nismo diff oil and Motul full synth 5-50W engine oil. In short, using Litchfields will cost you around 50-60% of the service cost at an HPC - for example the 24 month service I had in May cost around £520 instead of £960 as quoted by my local Nissan HPC's. You can see the service schedule and costs at Litchfields here: http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/GTR_Servicing_p... - and you can just double the cost roughly with Nissan.....

Litchfields are renowned in the GTR and other high performance Jap car world and also have a very complete tuning programme - don't look too closely at their website...haha. The good thing is that having your service book stamped by them does in no way detract from the car's value - probably the opposite.

Litchfields have other options in terms of discs and pads as well, so when you get to the point that you need both you can probably upgrade to Alcons with suitable pads for around half the price of the far inferior Nissan items that Nissan use.

In terms of extended warranty, as far as I know Nissan has not announced any details yet, but I expect that Litchfields will run their own and should be reasonable and should include tuned cars (by them) as well. Don't quote me, but I do expect this will happen.

Obviusly I don't mind a trek to Shrewsbury, but I don't know where you are based - I do know that people do travel quite far to use Litchfields - but there are clearly limits. Just remember that if you cannot use Litchfields or say SVM (Severn Valley Motorsports) then you need to factor a larger budget in for maintenance.

Having said all that, the GTR is an awesome machine in many ways. Yes, the flywheel and transmission rattle and clunk a bit - almost reminds me of my old 964 with the LWF (sort of a gentle coffee grinder sound to a point) - but the auto gear mode on mine is very smooth (ok, not quite S class Mercedes) and of course manual race mode is epic. The problem I find is that like most cars in this category, it has much too much performance in most situations to use - but one manages! biggrin

So to sum up - I do about 7-8k per year including some long trips to Scandinavia and Europe a few times per year. The car is reliable by all accounts, although a small number suffer from a failed "bell housing" on the tranny somewhere (or was it diff?) which Nissan replace under warranty. I would recommend getting a car that has not missed any services and has been used regularly - mileage is not so much of an issue - mine has done 18.5k miles now and still seems to be hardly run in - still loosening up a little imho. Just make sure that you get all the facts together with running costs and whether you can use and Indy, I get around the same mpg as I did in my old BMW550 which had 100bhp less so am happy, and with you doing 10k miles it shouldn't be too bad.

I hope this helps, I spent a lot of time researching before and after purchasing the car so that I had as much info as possible. Owning a GTR is not as hasslefree as a BMW for example, but is pretty easy to live with considering the performance. I pay £1100 in London (high risk area), 40 years old (:O ) and full NCB with Competition Car Insurance.

Feel free to send PM's with more questions if you need to - I personally found the proposition of ownership a little concerning at first - partially because I used to have a BMW550, 996GT3 mk1 and a 964 - and I was switching to this as my *only* car - but mainly due to the st that that the dealers gave me - like "new discs and pads sir? yes, that would be £6k" or "no, you can't fit Bridgestones because it would void your warranty" and so on.....utter bullcrap basically. With the support from Litchfield and others like SVM I don't have the same level of concern at all.

Lastly I should state clearly that I am not affiliated in any way with Litchfields or SVM, just a happy customer.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Excellent response & pretty much sums everything upsmile

christer

2,804 posts

274 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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W8PMC said:
Excellent response & pretty much sums everything upsmile
Thanks.....apart from the TEwkesbury)Shrewsbury confusion.......:O I use satnav to get there - that's my excuse biggrin

guy10

90 posts

241 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Christer has summed up pretty much everything in an excellent post - I also have had the last 3 services done at Litchfields - which are unbeatable. I've gone down the non-runflat route, using Yokohama Advans and are a little softer and less noisy - but doing the mileage I do, I don't think that's all bad - may have had something to do with the ability in the snow W8PMC?

Yes - the winter tyres have to be imported - tirerack.com or pneus-online....holland based I think. I've just put mine on yesterday, so will let you know how I get on.

I also try to give my cars a good clean at the end of the winter and the end of the summer - spent 4 hours on the GTR last weekend - hoover into every crevice inside and a clay bar outside, and I have to say......2 years 4 months and 39k miles on.....it's practically perfect.

It's wearing well

liner33

10,861 posts

225 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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I love the idea that a bit of snow and ice requires a GTR smile

W8PMC

3,385 posts

261 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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guy10 said:
Christer has summed up pretty much everything in an excellent post - I also have had the last 3 services done at Litchfields - which are unbeatable. I've gone down the non-runflat route, using Yokohama Advans and are a little softer and less noisy - but doing the mileage I do, I don't think that's all bad - may have had something to do with the ability in the snow W8PMC?

Yes - the winter tyres have to be imported - tirerack.com or pneus-online....holland based I think. I've just put mine on yesterday, so will let you know how I get on.

I also try to give my cars a good clean at the end of the winter and the end of the summer - spent 4 hours on the GTR last weekend - hoover into every crevice inside and a clay bar outside, and I have to say......2 years 4 months and 39k miles on.....it's practically perfect.

It's wearing well
That may explain my tyre/snow issue as i'm still on the Dunlop OEM Runflats.

Not sure what i'll change them to as having tracked a few times now, the grip from the OEM tyres is epic & i'm loathed to unbalance the handling with softer non runflats. That said, i'm also loathed to pay nearly £2K for a set so may go for the other runflat option, being the Bridgestones.

S1M VP

949 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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Enjoyed reading this ... I'm doing my research as Im toying with the idea of changing my Vanquish to a GTR (as one option).

Whilst the Aston is beautiful & brilliant, it does feel a bit dated and I'm beginning to get that itch.

I bought a RRSport for every day and it's perfect for it ... But gives me the option to have whatever I want in the garage but ideally a 2+2 as there are 3 of us.

Currently looking at DBS, GTR, 997 Turbo/GT3/GT2, 612 (budget of £50-75k), don't mind running costs, but prefer to avoid big depreciation by buying a few yrs old.

Good luck to the OP ... Don't take too long deliberating as you're only here once, enjoy it!!