HMRC- again!
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odyssey2200

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18,650 posts

240 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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So how long before the letter arrives?

These feckwitts are really not fit for purpose!

Guy on the ITV news says that some of the uncollected tax goes back as far as 2003.
HMRC blame the Computer! rolleyes

Du1point8

22,946 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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odyssey2200 said:
So how long before the letter arrives?

These feckwitts are really not fit for purpose!

Guy on the ITV news says that some of the uncollected tax goes back as far as 2003.
HMRC blame the Computer! rolleyes
got mine for 2009 that was a 'mistake' by previous employer not paying enough... So we worked it out and told them what we thought it should be given the circumstances and they send a letter back saying thank you very much and oh buy the way we want 10% more due to charges, blah blah blah.

Hate previous employers for doing this, but since I signed the compromise agreement and the fk was mine due to that not theirs.

Damn...

So due to a mess up in Taxing via old company I was PAYE at, I owe £1473, which not disputing, but then the cheeky fkers turned around and said:

28days late (from 2008) = 5% charge
6 months late (from 2008) = 5% charge
All interest from 2008 onwards
late payment admin Fee = £100

means I owe them £323 in fees for being asked 2+ months ago (2011 July) to make sure my accounts from 2008 are correct from before when I didnt have an accountant and knew nothing of HMRC at the time as I was a grunt for a company.

Edited by Du1point8 on Wednesday 19th October 16:58

Eric Mc

125,825 posts

296 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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odyssey2200 said:
So how long before the letter arrives?

These feckwitts are really not fit for purpose!

Guy on the ITV news says that some of the uncollected tax goes back as far as 2003.
HMRC blame the Computer! rolleyes
Look behind the headlines.

HMRC perform their annual reconciliation of PAYE records in October every year. They got into real trouble last year because they had not performed the reconciliation for the two prior years and as a result some people found they had underpaid Income Tax under the PAYE system for at least three yaers. They are now making sure they do it every year to avoid last year's debacle.


This is actually occuring because HMRC are performing the reconciliation PROPERLY.

PAYE is difficult to get right when an indiviudal has more than one source of PAYE income. If this is the case, the individual's personal tax allowances (i.e. their PAYE coding) has to be accurately allocated to their main job or pension or, in some case, divided up and spread around the different sources of PAYE income. This is difficult to co-ordinate properly when the PAYE offices handling the PAYE sources are all different. Once a year HMRC performs a reconciliation to ensure that each taxpayer's PAYE has been calculated properly across the multiple PAYE sources. If it hasn't, the taxpayer will eb asked to pay any shortfalls or will receive a refund.
If the overall amounts are less than £2,000, the difference will be corrected through the current PAYE coding.

0a

24,159 posts

225 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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How much is just down to the nature of PAYE. Eg in the last tax year I was working PAYE, had a month off, contracted (self employed), then worked PAYE and am now taking time off to start my own business (but will probably go PAYE this tax year). Given this I expect them to 'work out' the correct tax at some point, fair play!

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

240 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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This still doesn't explain things like, me getting 2 completely different Notice Of Change of tax Code within 4 days of each other last month, both completely different, (and no I haven't changed jobs or benefits etc.)

That doesn't explain how, in April 2010 the decided to forget the company car I had and change my TAX code without informing me and also ignored the 5 emails from my employer telling them what cars I had in that period.

Incompetent to55ers who are allowed to fk up and then just present the bill after the fact without accountability or consequences..



DSM2

3,624 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Look behind the headlines.

HMRC perform their annual reconciliation of PAYE records in October every year. They got into real trouble last year because they had not performed the reconciliation for the two prior years and as a result some people found they had underpaid Income Tax under the PAYE system for at least three yaers. They are now making sure they do it every year to avoid last year's debacle.


This is actually occuring because HMRC are performing the reconciliation PROPERLY.

PAYE is difficult to get right when an indiviudal has more than one source of PAYE income. If this is the case, the individual's personal tax allowances (i.e. their PAYE coding) has to be accurately allocated to their main job or pension or, in some case, divided up and spread around the different sources of PAYE income. This is difficult to co-ordinate properly when the PAYE offices handling the PAYE sources are all different. Once a year HMRC performs a reconciliation to ensure that each taxpayer's PAYE has been calculated properly across the multiple PAYE sources. If it hasn't, the taxpayer will eb asked to pay any shortfalls or will receive a refund.
If the overall amounts are less than £2,000, the difference will be corrected through the current PAYE coding.
A poor excuse. The calculations are NOT difficult to get right at all and any half competent body would have the correct claims out in a few weeks.

'Looking behind the headlines' the truth is that the overcomplicated, insane system is beyond many of the fkwits paid to administer it.

So they fk it up repeatedly. End of.

Hyper10

432 posts

200 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I was looking at the insolvency service website and noticed a "banned" co director section. Anyway a person on there was involved in MITC fraud (vat fraud). they knocked HMRC for almost 22 milion and hidden in the report was a comment that the guy was put down as a high risk but due to "failings" of a junior HMRC official he was not monitored.
How incredible they'll chase all for a few hundred pounds but let 22 million slip by because they're a bit busy


A poor excuse. The calculations are NOT difficult to get right at all and any half competent body would have the correct claims out in a few weeks.

'Looking behind the headlines' the truth is that the overcomplicated, insane system is beyond many of the fkwits paid to administer it.

So they fk it up repeatedly. End of.
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Eric Mc

125,825 posts

296 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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DSM2 said:
A poor excuse. The calculations are NOT difficult to get right at all and any half competent body would have the correct claims out in a few weeks.

'Looking behind the headlines' the truth is that the overcomplicated, insane system is beyond many of the fkwits paid to administer it.

So they fk it up repeatedly. End of.
90% of the time they actrually get it right. The problem is that there are around 30 million taxpayers handled under the PAYE system. And far more of them now have multiple earnings sources or intermittent soutrces of PAYE income.

The system was designed during a time when individuals tended to have the same job for many, many years, usually with the same employer. It does not cope very well with the much more complicated employment and pension situations that many people have in the modern age.

You are correct in that it is most definitely overcomplicated and half the problem is that they are relying far too much on undertrained individuals or unreliable software systems.

Wings

5,970 posts

246 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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^^^^^this and also the fact that successive governments have cut back on HMR&C’s resources.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

277 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Wings said:
^^^^^this and also the fact that successive governments have cut back on HMR&C’s resources.....
....whilst making the tax system more and more complicated.

I recently had some contact with HMRC and they were desperately keen to keep people out of "self assessment" if at all possible. They much prefer to cover everything through PAYE because, of course, it loads all the administration onto an employer rather than HMRC having to do anything.

DJRC

23,563 posts

267 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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My cheque for £1200 arrived a week ago smile

Arrived just in time to pay for the new flooring.

odyssey2200

Original Poster:

18,650 posts

240 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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DJRC said:
My cheque for £1200 arrived a week ago smile

Arrived just in time to pay for the new flooring.
Your demand for £1500 under payment arrives tomorrow hehe

LukeSi

5,780 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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I want my £1.64 back, I'm 16 so why the hell am I paying tax :P

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

247 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Du1point8 said:
got mine for 2009 that was a 'mistake' by previous employer not paying enough... So we worked it out and told them what we thought it should be given the circumstances and they send a letter back saying thank you very much and oh buy the way we want 10% more due to charges, blah blah blah.

Hate previous employers for doing this, but since I signed the compromise agreement and the fk was mine due to that not theirs.

Damn...

So due to a mess up in Taxing via old company I was PAYE at, I owe £1473, which not disputing, but then the cheeky fkers turned around and said:

28days late (from 2008) = 5% charge
6 months late (from 2008) = 5% charge
All interest from 2008 onwards
late payment admin Fee = £100

means I owe them £323 in fees for being asked 2+ months ago (2011 July) to make sure my accounts from 2008 are correct from before when I didnt have an accountant and knew nothing of HMRC at the time as I was a grunt for a company.

Edited by Du1point8 on Wednesday 19th October 16:58
My advice is....

Pay them the amount overdue and no more. The late fees etc should be deducted. I have had late fees from time to time and have always paid what is owed less late fees and they havent griped about it.

Of course i am self employed so may be a different situation but no harm in trying. If they want the late fees after you have paid the overdue taxes they will ask for them.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

277 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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LukeSi said:
I want my £1.64 back, I'm 16 so why the hell am I paying tax :P
Presumbly you're a banker with gross earnings of £3.28 complaining about the 50% rate... wink

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

247 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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LukeSi said:
I want my £1.64 back, I'm 16 so why the hell am I paying tax :P
They need to find out how lenient you are. If you will let it go they will make more mistakes when you are liable to increase their take.

Eric Mc

125,825 posts

296 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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LukeSi said:
I want my £1.64 back, I'm 16 so why the hell am I paying tax :P
What has age got to do with it?

LukeSi

5,780 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
What has age got to do with it?
I don't work, I'm in education.

Eric Mc

125,825 posts

296 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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LukeSi said:
Eric Mc said:
What has age got to do with it?
I don't work, I'm in education.
I say again, what's age got to do with it?

If you receive sufficient income at ANY age, you will be required to pay tax on that income. If you happen to pay too much tax - you will be entitled to get a tax refund.

There is no lower age exemption for paying tax in the UK.


LukeSi

5,780 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I say again, what's age got to do with it?

If you receive sufficient income at ANY age, you will be required to pay tax on that income. If you happen to pay too much tax - you will be entitled to get a tax refund.

There is no lower age exemption for paying tax in the UK.
I don't have a sufficient income. But its £1.62 not worth bothering about.