Williams and Toyota disqualified from Canadian GP

[condor]

Well...illegal brake ducts.


revised race results:-


Classified

1. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B)
2. Barrichello Ferrari (B)
3. Button BAR-Honda (M)
4. Fisichella Sauber-Petronas (B)
5. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M)
6. Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes (M)
7. Glock Jordan-Ford (B)
8. Heidfeld Jordan-Ford (B)
9. Klien Jaguar-Cosworth (M)
10. Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth (B)

Not Classified

Massa Sauber-Petronas (B)
Sato BAR-Honda (M)
Alonso Renault (M)
Bruni Minardi-Cosworth (B)
Webber Jaguar-Cosworth (M)
Trulli Renault (M)
R.Schumacher Williams-BMW (M)
Montoya Williams-BMW (M)
da Matta Toyota (M)
Panis Toyota (M)


>>> Edited by condor on Sunday 13th June 23:19

[FourWheelDrift]

Button podium (although he didn't get to step onto it this time)

Fisichella one stop strategy worked

Glock points on debut, points for both Jordans.

But I do find the FIA rule about maximum allowed size and width of brake disc utterly stupid (the limit to disc width is the reason Williams ran bigger ducts). They go on all the time about saftey yet they are perfectly prepared to allow cars to run and possibly suffer brake fade/failure leading to a crash. Morons.

They should know teams will run as little brake disc as they can get away with so as to not give them added wasted weight. But if they needed bigger brakes for Montreal they would have taken them

FIA - Full marks for stupidity on the brake disc rule.

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Sunday 13th June 23:26

[condor]

Rules are rules

[condor]

Sam Michael quote
"The front brake ducts of Ralf and Juan Pablo's cars are not in accordance with the regulations," he said. "It was a mistake and it was unintentional. There was no performance gain and no gain for brake cooling because the inlet area was not bigger. However the ducts are not in compliance with the technical regulations. Therefore we accept the FIA's decision."

These things happen ...I said that

[FourWheelDrift]

Thinking about it.....................

Obviously the parc ferme check is working well as aren't the cars supposed to be checked over by the technical regulators at the end of qualifying. If so why didn't they pull Williams up on the oversized brake ducts then or not allow them to race/start from the back of the grid.

Might be wrong though, but it does sound odd.

[FourWheelDrift]

But doesn't it mean Raikkonen gets you more points?

[tonytoniTone]

The cars aren't scrutinered in parc ferme, they are impounded and only sanctioned repairs and safety checks can be carried out by teams before race..

the fact that Williams have been banned should let webber get out of his Jaguar contract and race for williams in 2005 though..
www.grandprix.com/ns/ns13043.html

[Scratch'n'Diff]

Rules rule
Never mind ey Williams

[daydreamer]

Is it just me, or is this maybe less of a transgression of the rules than - say - illegal barge boards about four seasons ago. Strange that that one was overturned due to dubious lack of performance advantage.

I've never really subscribed to the one rule for the red cars, and another for everybody else, but history does appear to suggest otherwise.

[tonytoniTone]

the stewards in both incidents deemed components illegal, Ferrari appealed and had a hearing and Williams havent bothered appealing..

[anonymous-user]

Think it would be difficult to claim no advantage when it's brake ducts on a circuit that punishes brakes.

Especially as a couple of races ago on a track that isn't known to be as much of a brake burner and the Williams actually had discs on fire.

[308gt4]

the barge boards were found to be inside the spec on appeal and have little to do with performance as opposed to air going into the radiators whereas larger BRAKE ducts do seem to be part of a solution to hot brakes

[CanAm]

No, the barge boards were only found to be within the rules when they were measured OFF the car. When mounted on the car they were illegal. A typical case of jiggery-pokery involving the team from Italy and the FIA. And they have an immense effect on aerodynamic performance by channeling the airstream into the radiators and rear difuser.

[daydreamer]

308gt4 said:

the barge boards were found to be inside the spec on appeal and have little to do with performance as opposed to air going into the radiators whereas larger BRAKE ducts do seem to be part of a solution to hot brakes

And if we are splitting hairs here - if the arguement is that the car works better with cooler brakes (which I can buy), the same one applies that a car works a bit better when the engine is being cooled surely - I.e. it is still contained within the rear of the car rather than being evenly distributed around the track.

If rules are rules, then everybody should have to stick to them. As has been said above, when the barge boards were on the car they were illegal. Aparently, expecially with the Toyota cars, the problem wasn't the size of the ducts, but the relationship between their position and the disks. Identical situation methinks.

[V8 Archie]

I don't know why anyone is surprised. This sort of jiggery pokeryhas been going on for years. Fine if you are a dancing donkey/cheating german supporter with no brain, but a good way of destroying the sport's appeal to many others*.

* I include in this those who do support dancing donkeys/cheating germans who feel that victory in a weighted game is at best empty.