porsche turbo s kav1
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k in hell this guys car is seriouesly quick, i reckon one of the quickest porsche 911 turbo s's around. what an amazing car. took out everything that came in its way. WHAT A MACHINE. 
F1 Ksp said:
This is not kav. its his brother. just saying tho i was so suprised at how quick this car is. its a missile. we turned up to vmax thinking we would not be able to take some of the machines which were there, but all in all not a single car took us. On the porsche speedo it was showing 206mph and clocked 200 through traps. these car is an animal considering it only has a map. What a machine. 
rimkah said:
Yes ken but how reliable are they;)
There is no getting away from the turbo s performance. It is awesome for a standard package and imo that is how it should be left. At least one of these engines has blown at just 20hp over std so imo it is not a proven base to tune and frankly in std form why tune it. It is good enough. They shouldn't be any less reliable. Whilst I didn't attend because I was in Portugal, my previous build had two faults in 8000 miles, one gearbox and the other boost pressure related. I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
996ttalot said:
Despite it being a great car there were two other porsche on the day that would leave it for dead to 200mph from a standstill, both of which are sub 30 sec to 186mph, something which it is not.
maybe so, but i have to say this Turbo S's launch control is something else, and that why it was eating everything of the line. Wish we had gone against these to porsches at vmax. which 2 other porsches were these?
996ttalot said:
rimkah said:
Yes ken but how reliable are they;)
I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be. Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
996ttalot said:
There is no getting away from the turbo s performance. It is awesome for a standard package and imo that is how it should be left. At least one of these engines has blown at just 20hp over std so imo it is not a proven base to tune and frankly in std form why tune it. It is good enough.
They shouldn't be any less reliable. Whilst I didn't attend because I was in Portugal, my previous build had two faults in 8000 miles, one gearbox and the other boost pressure related. I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
Ken, I'm sure you know your stuff better than most but DMS do have a wealth of experience with Turbo's and they estimate at least 30%-40% of 996/997 turbos in the UK have at some point been tuned, and the vast majority have been perfectly reliable . With the turbo S, the car runs 1.1 bar max boost in standard form and with tune runs a max of 1.2 bar which is a small increase compared to what they potentially could wind it up to (people in the states run 1.3-1.4bar with no issues). Reliability was the main focus of mine not wanting to destroy an engine on something so expensive, and the DMS tune focused on making the car more driveable and delivering more power across a wider powerband - essentially it's more power more of the time. As regards to the Launch Control, Porsche have a number of Turbos at Silverstone for driver training and each car gets launched 15-20 times a day every day for 3 months when they are then released into the dealer network and replaced - they have yet to have a transmission or gearbox issue on any car and actively promote the fact that Launch Control is there to be used and an integral part of the experience. Speaking of Transmission - the PDK launch and full boost gear changes are a big part of why the bloody things so fast and why from what I saw at vmax you'd need a minimum of 700 bhp to pull more than a couple of cars on it at any speed. They shouldn't be any less reliable. Whilst I didn't attend because I was in Portugal, my previous build had two faults in 8000 miles, one gearbox and the other boost pressure related. I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
Edited by Kav1 on Wednesday 7th September 18:39
996ttalot said:
Kav1 said:
F1 Ksp said:
Oh dear ....little bro now has an account !! We are ALL in trouble now ! 
, fortunately doesn't live with me but will look for some hiding places tonight just for good measure ! 
Edited by Kav1 on Wednesday 7th September 18:40
Kav1 said:
996ttalot said:
There is no getting away from the turbo s performance. It is awesome for a standard package and imo that is how it should be left. At least one of these engines has blown at just 20hp over std so imo it is not a proven base to tune and frankly in std form why tune it. It is good enough.
They shouldn't be any less reliable. Whilst I didn't attend because I was in Portugal, my previous build had two faults in 8000 miles, one gearbox and the other boost pressure related. I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
Ken, I'm sure you know your stuff better than most but DMS do have a wealth of experience with Turbo's and they estimate at least 30%-40% of 996/997 turbos in the UK have at some point been tuned, and the vast majority have been perfectly reliable . With the turbo S, the car runs 1.1 bar max boost in standard form and with tune runs a max of 1.2 bar which is a small increase compared to what they potentially could wind it up to (people in the states run 1.3-1.4bar with no issues). Reliability was the main focus of mine not wanting to destroy an engine on something so expensive, and the DMS tune focused on making the car more driveable and delivering more power across a wider powerband - essentially it's more power more of the time. As regards to the Launch Control, Porsche have a number of Turbos at Silverstone for driver training and each car gets launched 15-20 times a day every day for 3 months when they are then released into the dealer network and replaced - they have yet to have a transmission or gearbox issue on any car and actively promote the fact that Launch Control is there to be used and an integral part of the experience. Speaking of Transmission - the PDK launch and full boost gear changes are a big part of why the bloody things so fast and why from what I saw at vmax you'd need a minimum of 700 bhp to pull more than a couple of cars on it at any speed.
They shouldn't be any less reliable. Whilst I didn't attend because I was in Portugal, my previous build had two faults in 8000 miles, one gearbox and the other boost pressure related. I would say that it is reliable and I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Not everyone wants to launch their cars off the line..some of us know the damage it does.
Ken, I'm sure you know your stuff better than most but DMS do have a wealth of experience with Turbo's and they estimate at least 30%-40% of 996/997 turbos in the UK have at some point been tuned, and the vast majority have been perfectly reliable . With the turbo S, the car runs 1.1 bar max boost in standard form and with tune runs a max of 1.2 bar which is a small increase compared to what they potentially could wind it up to (people in the states run 1.3-1.4bar with no issues). Reliability was the main focus of mine not wanting to destroy an engine on something so expensive, and the DMS tune focused on making the car more driveable and delivering more power across a wider powerband - essentially it's more power more of the time. As regards to the Launch Control, Porsche have a number of Turbos at Silverstone for driver training and each car gets launched 15-20 times a day every day for 3 months when they are then released into the dealer network and replaced - they have yet to have a transmission or gearbox issue on any car and actively promote the fact that Launch Control is there to be used and an integral part of the experience. Speaking of Transmission - the PDK launch and full boost gear changes are a big part of why the bloody things so fast and why from what I saw at vmax you'd need a minimum of 700 bhp to pull more than a couple of cars on it at any speed.
The PDK has an absolute limit of 560whp (wheel hp) before it gives up and that is why, whilst I would like one, I would have to upgrade the box and at the moment no one has been able to do that without causing other issues with how 7th works and so on. CMS are the only company who have managed to take it higher with some success.
Can't comment on tuning because that would open a can of worms.
Hopefully see you later in the month.
Ken
996ttalot said:
There is no getting away from the turbo s performance. It is awesome for a standard package and imo that is how it should be left. At least one of these engines has blown at just 20hp over std so imo it is not a proven base to tune and frankly in std form why tune it. It is good enough.
They shouldn't be any less reliable. I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
Do you have a view on Cargraphic's powerkits for the 997 Turbo S? They claim to deliver 585-595hp with ECU, filter and exhaust. Hear what you say on the DFI engine but surely Cargraphic wouldn't put their name on it if it was flaky?They shouldn't be any less reliable. I am sure that Toby's GT2 will be extremely reliable. Cargraphic sell that package now so it has to be.
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