Speed cameras fail, and DON'T reduce accidents!!
Discussion
In case it's not been posted... from todays Telegraph..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8719263/S...
And according to the Daily Wail they create accidents, see
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029361/Sp...
Something PHers have been saying for 15 years!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8719263/S...
And according to the Daily Wail they create accidents, see
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029361/Sp...
Something PHers have been saying for 15 years!!!
Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 24th August 09:14
...and as others have been saying for years, you can actually see the long decline in traffic KSIs decelerate when cameras came along.
If you plot the actual decline and where it would have gone if cameras hadn't become the main focus of road safety, you can estimate how lives could have been saved if they'd never been introduced.
ETA: I've no doubt the BBC will run with this heavily...
If you plot the actual decline and where it would have gone if cameras hadn't become the main focus of road safety, you can estimate how lives could have been saved if they'd never been introduced.
ETA: I've no doubt the BBC will run with this heavily...
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Wednesday 24th August 09:08
The problem is though that in certain situations we do need devices such as this.
So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
They serve to re-base mentality and bring people down to the correct speed and most then maintain that speed until they exit. When they stopped the cameras in Oxford there was an almost instant increase in the speed at which thick people drove through some of the villages.
It's the same with speed bumps they are a massive annoyance but the simple fact is that there are so many thick, ignorant and selfish people in cars in modern Britain that many of them have to exist to get people to drive at a speed which is safe.
I think the practical answer is that there is a time and a place for these measures and a sensible review to weed out and remove the pointless applications would be prudent, although another side of me says that scameras are no different from the lottery as they are a volountary tax.
The other matter to be very wary of is that if scameras are deemed not to work for safety and speed control then they will be using this evidence as an arguement for more and more average speed cameras and the Gallileo satallite system.
My gut feeling is that in 10 years we will look back very fondly at scameras and kick ourselves for our short sightedness in getting rid of them.
So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
They serve to re-base mentality and bring people down to the correct speed and most then maintain that speed until they exit. When they stopped the cameras in Oxford there was an almost instant increase in the speed at which thick people drove through some of the villages.
It's the same with speed bumps they are a massive annoyance but the simple fact is that there are so many thick, ignorant and selfish people in cars in modern Britain that many of them have to exist to get people to drive at a speed which is safe.
I think the practical answer is that there is a time and a place for these measures and a sensible review to weed out and remove the pointless applications would be prudent, although another side of me says that scameras are no different from the lottery as they are a volountary tax.
The other matter to be very wary of is that if scameras are deemed not to work for safety and speed control then they will be using this evidence as an arguement for more and more average speed cameras and the Gallileo satallite system.
My gut feeling is that in 10 years we will look back very fondly at scameras and kick ourselves for our short sightedness in getting rid of them.
DonkeyApple said:
The problem is though that in certain situations we do need devices such as this.
So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
Part of the blame for this has - IMO - got to lie with the over use of 30 limits. So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
If 30 limits were used more sparingly, or actually started when they were needed, they might command more respect.
Johnnytheboy said:
DonkeyApple said:
The problem is though that in certain situations we do need devices such as this.
So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
Part of the blame for this has - IMO - got to lie with the over use of 30 limits. So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
If 30 limits were used more sparingly, or actually started when they were needed, they might command more respect.
"Mike Penning, the road safety minister, said: “For the first time we are shining the light of transparency on the performance of speed cameras.
“People want to know that if their tax money is being spent on speed cameras that they are actually making their roads safer, not just raising money. "
I'm just trying to imagine, for the benefit of those who go on about voting for the colour of ties, someone from the last administration saying that.
“People want to know that if their tax money is being spent on speed cameras that they are actually making their roads safer, not just raising money. "
I'm just trying to imagine, for the benefit of those who go on about voting for the colour of ties, someone from the last administration saying that.
The reason they aren't working is because of stuff like this
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/north/233608-triple-fa...
A mother and her two children were killed near the end of our road. Her car hit a patch of oil and slide across the road hitting another car.
To stop it happening again we regualrly now have a scamera van parked up at the end of our road
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/north/233608-triple-fa...
A mother and her two children were killed near the end of our road. Her car hit a patch of oil and slide across the road hitting another car.
To stop it happening again we regualrly now have a scamera van parked up at the end of our road
thinfourth2 said:
The reason they aren't working is because of stuff like this
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/north/233608-triple-fa...
A mother and her two children were killed near the end of our road. Her car hit a patch of oil and slide across the road hitting another car.
To stop it happening again we regualrly now have a scamera van parked up at the end of our road
To catch the speeding crane with the oil leak, I assume? http://news.stv.tv/scotland/north/233608-triple-fa...
A mother and her two children were killed near the end of our road. Her car hit a patch of oil and slide across the road hitting another car.
To stop it happening again we regualrly now have a scamera van parked up at the end of our road
w
kers. 
DonkeyApple said:
Johnnytheboy said:
DonkeyApple said:
The problem is though that in certain situations we do need devices such as this.
So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
Part of the blame for this has - IMO - got to lie with the over use of 30 limits. So many people seem intellectually incapable of slowing down when entering a village that the one set of cameras that I fervently believe in are the ones on the entry and exit of villages that are on fast roads. Without them too many people never slow down and are bloody dangerous. In those situations they work extremely well and have almost certainly prevented serious harm to people who live in those places.
If 30 limits were used more sparingly, or actually started when they were needed, they might command more respect.
I wouldn't speed through a village, but when a settlement so small as to not have a name has 1 mile of 30 limit, or a village's limit starts half a mile before the first house, something's wrong.
Southampton's good for barriered 30 limited dual carriageways, too.
I have to confess that I have not noticed excess usuage of 30 zones in the areas that I drive around in.
Johnnytheboy said:
Whereabouts is that? Round here (Dorset, Somerset and Hants) there are some howlers.
I wouldn't speed through a village, but when a settlement so small as to not have a name has 1 mile of 30 limit, or a village's limit starts half a mile before the first house, something's wrong.
Southampton's good for barriered 30 limited dual carriageways, too.
Could it be that a lot of people in the West Country still believe the world will end if you travel faster than a horse can? I wouldn't speed through a village, but when a settlement so small as to not have a name has 1 mile of 30 limit, or a village's limit starts half a mile before the first house, something's wrong.
Southampton's good for barriered 30 limited dual carriageways, too.
Johnnytheboy said:
...and as others have been saying for years, you can actually see the long decline in traffic KSIs decelerate when cameras came along.
If you plot the actual decline and where it would have gone if cameras hadn't become the main focus of road safety, you can estimate how lives could have been saved if they'd never been introduced.
ETA: I've no doubt the BBC will run with this heavily...
yep: deffo change 91-92. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=120...If you plot the actual decline and where it would have gone if cameras hadn't become the main focus of road safety, you can estimate how lives could have been saved if they'd never been introduced.
ETA: I've no doubt the BBC will run with this heavily...
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Wednesday 24th August 09:08
PowerStation said:
Got as far as 'preventing families going through blah blah' then stopped reading. They should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotionPowerStation said:
Link wont open for me but I can imagine what it says.I don't expect logic and a considered responce. IIRC that site that constantly bangs on about speed was started by a woman who husband was killed when a truck driver had a heart attack in a truck which had faulty brakes and no MOT.
So speed kills obviously.
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