E10 fuel in TVR's

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I have heard that E10 fuel is coming. (a mixture of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline). Most engines up to now have been designed to run a max 5% or even 0%.

Does anyone know if this will affect our cars?

Edited by ads on Monday 22 August 14:37

[astonman]

My understanding, is yes it will, they will run weak, the fuel is also hygroscopic(absorbs water from the atmosphere,so may need to be drained off over winter!)

[bigdods]

Tesco momentum is 5% , my chim loves the stuff. I guess as the % gets higher we will need to worry about hose decomposition/damage as ethanol is a pretty harsh solvent.

[Taraka30]

I was advised by a well know TVR engine builder to avoid the Tesco stuff like the plague... Not being a petrochemical scientist myself I don't claim to know much about it so stick to VPower, generally paying through the nose for it, and hope it doesn't rot my pipes. Oh the joys of ownership and ignorance.

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Could start getting expensive if we have to change seals, hoses etc so we can use the stuff. Hopefully it will be a different pump at the station supplying the E10 so we can still carry on using the proper stuff.

[domV8]

Why would petrol company's even consider changing fuels additive content, if it has the above mentioned properties on hoses & seals..?

Why will this affect us, and no other car..?

Not entirely sure I understand this..?

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domV8 said:

Why would petrol company's even consider changing fuels additive content, if it has the above mentioned properties on hoses & seals..?

Why will this affect us, and no other car..?

Not entirely sure I understand this..?

Its not additives as such just a higher concentration of ethanol. It will not be just our cars but others that were designed to run on normal unleaded. Most manufactures normally state a max 5% ethanol.
It is all down to being green.
Found this which explains it well. Not sure about the product it is advertising though.
http://www.frost.co.uk/protect-your-vehicle-agains...

[MPoxon]

Does anyone know if Shell V-Power contains bio fuel currently?

[RedSpike66]

If we all sue Tesco's for the cost of replacing all our hoses they might re-consider.... I use Vpower myself, despite the frightening cost....

[LordGrover]

MPoxon said:

Does anyone know if Shell V-Power contains bio fuel currently?

Not sure, but it's in F1 fuel: click.

ETA: fix bad link

Edited by LordGrover on Tuesday 20th December 16:30

[Grey Ghost]

MPoxon said:

Does anyone know if Shell V-Power contains bio fuel currently?

Matt, do a Google on "Shell V Power ethanol content" and some interesting articles will come up. Although possibly not good if you rely on the stuff. I guess I'll be getting Dom to replace all my fuel hoses with appropriate new technology in March then

[jimed]

Maybe there will be an additive developed that will stop the damage?
Jim

[Alexdaredevilz]

Most of the tvr's are getting old and will need there hoses renewing soon any way.

Im sure most tvr's don't NEED the higher octane fuel any way, most people use it because they 'think' its faster and better for there car

I don't see what the drama is about?

[Jasper Gilder]

Sure the insurers will have something to say after they've paid out for lots of bonfires!

[Englishman]

'E10 petrol is cleared for use in all Land Rover vehicles with petrol engines starting from model year 1996.'

Might mean later Chims and Griffs are ok, but I guess time will tell if TVR's S6 or V8 are as there is no factory to test them

[MPoxon]

Grey Ghost said:

MPoxon said:

Does anyone know if Shell V-Power contains bio fuel currently?

Matt, do a Google on "Shell V Power ethanol content" and some interesting articles will come up. Although possibly not good if you rely on the stuff. I guess I'll be getting Dom to replace all my fuel hoses with appropriate new technology in March then

Interesting reading. I would have thought that V-Power (99RON) being a premium fuel would be certified ethanol free. Although it would seem (unconfirmed) that V-Power currently in the UK would appear to be ethanol free at the moment there does not seem to be any commitment to keep it that way. Some countries sell a lower grade of V-Power (98RON) and this is listed as E5.

[angry jock]

MPoxon said:

Interesting reading. I would have thought that V-Power (99RON) being a premium fuel would be certified ethanol free. Although it would seem (unconfirmed) that V-Power currently in the UK would appear to be ethanol free at the moment there does not seem to be any commitment to keep it that way. Some countries sell a lower grade of V-Power (98RON) and this is listed as E5.

I've had a little bit more of a dig into this and if you look here some guys on the TR register were looking into this and have found that V-Power does contain ethanol but that the Esso super doesn't. Interesting.

[450Nick]

It's not the petrol supplier's fault that more ethanol is being put into the fuel. Its an EU law that has come in to ensure that at least 10% (I think) of fuel comes from renewable energy sources. IE then have to do it. It will be a bit like when 4 star was phased out, normal fuel will be taken out of service bit by bit and you'll at some point presumably have to do some work to the engine to ensure it works with new fuel. It sucks but its just another part of owning an old car!

[jcpgasoline]

angry jock said:

MPoxon said:

Interesting reading. I would have thought that V-Power (99RON) being a premium fuel would be certified ethanol free. Although it would seem (unconfirmed) that V-Power currently in the UK would appear to be ethanol free at the moment there does not seem to be any commitment to keep it that way. Some countries sell a lower grade of V-Power (98RON) and this is listed as E5.

I've had a little bit more of a dig into this and if you look here some guys on the TR register were looking into this and have found that V-Power does contain ethanol but that the Esso super doesn't. Interesting.

Gents, the fact of the matter is that forecourt gasoline MAY currently contain up to 5% EtOH because the governing EN228 standard permits this. How much EtOH the fuel contains is for the most part a function of economics and supply. That is to say that if a cost effective supply is available to the supplier (refinery or blender), you can reasonably expect that EtOH will be present in the fuel. Hope this provides some clarity.

P.S. V-Power and Tesco Momentum both surpass the EN228 standard for octane, both RON & MON.

P.P.S. All gasolines are BLENDS of various components and the composition will therefore vary from batch to batch. The finished product nevertheless still has to meet the spec.

Edited by jcpgasoline on Wednesday 21st December 14:55

Edited by jcpgasoline on Wednesday 21st December 14:58