Well, I don't know about you, but I'm a bit Neanderthal...
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm a bit Neanderthal...
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ChiChoAndy

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73,668 posts

285 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderth...

Maybe Homo Sapien didn't wipe them out as previously though... They just snacked up together and made little babies.

Eric Mc

125,790 posts

295 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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Not altogether surprising. I reckon the Neanderthal genes are coming back to the fore as well.

trickywoo

14,244 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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Some more than others

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

263 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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Not really a surprise.

Anyone remember the Russian boxer who lost to the American last year? He looked like he'd been plucked from 30,000 years ago.


EDIT
I think this is him

It's a pretty good demonstration of what we'd be to a Neanderthal.

Edited by grumbledoak on Thursday 21st July 15:35

Pesty

42,655 posts

286 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Stupid question time.

"If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. "

does this mean we are a different species to Africans?

Mr Sparkle

1,936 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Pesty said:
Stupid question time.

"If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. "

does this mean we are a different species to Africans?
No, it's quite small percentage of their genes we have but there are also a few other small changes that non-sub-Saharan people have to Sub-Saharan Africans since we parted ways 60,000(?) year ago (the desert acted like a barrier following the ice age) and have been evolving separately until recently. But the difference are small and we are the same species.

Pesty

42,655 posts

286 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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thanks


RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Dogs are all the same species, not the same breeds... So I assume this is likewise just another genetic variation.

TBH I didnt think interbereeding was possible but it must have been?

Sam the Mut

774 posts

206 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Mr Sparkle said:
No, it's quite small percentage of their genes we have but there are also a few other small changes that non-sub-Saharan people have to Sub-Saharan Africans since we parted ways 60,000(?) year ago (the desert acted like a barrier following the ice age) and have been evolving separately until recently. But the difference are small and we are the same species.
So what defines a species, at what point?

Mr Sparkle

1,936 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Sam the Mut said:
Mr Sparkle said:
No, it's quite small percentage of their genes we have but there are also a few other small changes that non-sub-Saharan people have to Sub-Saharan Africans since we parted ways 60,000(?) year ago (the desert acted like a barrier following the ice age) and have been evolving separately until recently. But the difference are small and we are the same species.
So what defines a species, at what point?
I thought generally it was that two individual could bread and produce viable offspring, but saying that Lions and Tigers can do this and they are different species so ??? don't really know... Anyone? I think there is some debate as to what constitutes a different species since by the nature of evolution something doesn't just become vastly different but is made up of small changes.

So to conclude I would like someone else to answer this question for me. smile

CaptainLunarfish

67 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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A species is defined as individuals that can breed to produce fertile offspring, or so I understand it as. smile

Pesty

42,655 posts

286 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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CaptainLunarfish said:
A species is defined as individuals that can breed to produce fertile offspring, or so I understand it as. smile
then that would mean Neanderthals were the same species wouldnt it?

CaptainLunarfish

67 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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Pesty said:
CaptainLunarfish said:
A species is defined as individuals that can breed to produce fertile offspring, or so I understand it as. smile
then that would mean Neanderthals were the same species wouldnt it?
If the Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens produced fertile offspring than yes smile

Funkateer

990 posts

205 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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CaptainLunarfish said:
Pesty said:
CaptainLunarfish said:
A species is defined as individuals that can breed to produce fertile offspring, or so I understand it as. smile
then that would mean Neanderthals were the same species wouldnt it?
If the Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens produced fertile offspring than yes smile
Homo Sapiens Sapiens breeding with Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis

Had the 2 types of humans been separated for longer, then they would probably have separated into 2 distinct species, but this would have needed a few more million years apart.

As an aside, neanderthals tended to have slightly larger brains than sapiens.

MOTORVATOR

7,637 posts

277 months

Friday 22nd July 2011
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I'm very confused now.

So what were Adam and Eve?

And how the hell did the all the Homos breed?