The Cheque Bounces Back
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Eric Mc

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125,786 posts

295 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Plans by the banks to abolish old style paper cheques by 2018 have been abolished.

SC7

1,882 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.

Sgt Bilko

1,929 posts

245 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Unless you are a charity which needs two signatures to authorise payments to prevent fraud...

Kwai Chang Caine

6,703 posts

216 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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At least they've got rid of Cheque Guarantee Cards. Those things were an anachronism from a time when folks were (mainly) honest.

Cheques most definitely still have their place in business.

Eric Mc

Original Poster:

125,786 posts

295 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Sgt Bilko said:
SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Unless you are a charity which needs two signatures to authorise payments to prevent fraud...
Exactly,.

Even though many businesses do not need or accept cheques, there are many, many small businesses, charities, clubs and societies that still need a facility to accept cheques and the ability to pay them too.

The key is when payments need multiple authorisation - which is often required in clubs, societies and charities.

There is also the issue of access to bank accounts through computers. With a business, there will be designated people who have access to the bank through the office computer. With charities and clubs, there often isn't a charity or club computer. In fact, the organisation may not even have a fixed central office for admin.

And even if one person was able to be appointed as the designated "officer" and use their home and home computer as the official "club/society/charity ciomputer", the voluntary nature of such organuisations menas that this position would be switched to a new individual within a few years and the whole autrhorisation process would need to be gone through all over again.

I think this is good news and an about face by the banks in the teeth of opposition from representative groups.

Mojooo

13,291 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Lots of old people use them, and as it happens we are going to have lots of old people for longer i nthe coming future.

Funnily enough I took a cheque out with me this week (first oen for maybe a year) to pay the physio incase I couldnt get to the cashpoint, I only ended up paying cash because I don't like cheques being cashed 6 weeks after giving them.

joewilliams

2,004 posts

231 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Sgt Bilko said:
SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Unless you are a charity which needs two signatures to authorise payments to prevent fraud...
We use plenty of online banking services for clients which require two electronic signatures.

Relying on signatures on cheques to prevent fraud is hopeful, to say the least. The chances of the bank actually verifying cheques against the mandate are low, and the chances of them spotting the difference between a genuine signature and a fraudster with half an hour's signing practice even lower.

JonnyFive

29,904 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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I've only ever used 2 cheques from my cheque book (I really have no idea why I have one..) one for my driving licence, and one for my brothers driving licence. I only used Cheque as I hadn't used the Cheque book before hehe

FourWheelDrift

92,357 posts

314 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Cheques are very useful for paying utilities companies. They have far too much history of taking out too much via direct debits.

ExChrispy Porker

17,733 posts

258 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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I sent a cheque in the post to pay for a training course only today. I use them quite a lot to pay entry fees etc..

Eric Mc

Original Poster:

125,786 posts

295 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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joewilliams said:
Sgt Bilko said:
SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Unless you are a charity which needs two signatures to authorise payments to prevent fraud...
We use plenty of online banking services for clients which require two electronic signatures.
That is fine if the signatories have access to the necessary technology and each other to allow the electronic "signing" to take place.

It is a lot more dificult in the voluntary sector where the necessary individuals may not be physically near each other or even contactable when something needs to be paid.

RemainAllHoof

80,140 posts

312 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Thank fk for that. I use cheques several times a month for business purposes and was wondering how I'd replace them as I don't work from one fixed location.

Badgerboy

1,794 posts

222 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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I still have to use the bloody things to withdraw money from the bank. Not sure if my branch of HSBC is lagging behind the others, but an attempt to withdraw six grand over the counter mean't I had to dig around at home to find the bloody thing.

Jackleman

974 posts

196 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
I use cheques for my business quite a bit as the online banking with Lloyds TSB is dire.



Chrisw666

22,655 posts

229 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Sgt Bilko said:
SC7 said:
fk's sake. Why?!

They're a pain in the arse.

Archaic. No good reason to keep them.
Unless you are a charity which needs two signatures to authorise payments to prevent fraud...
yes

Quite a few other reasons too but security is the best part of cheques for us. Most of our invoices are paid by cheque (both in and out) and setting up bacs for lots of smallish amounts of money would be a PITA, and as we generally deal with others similar organisations who prefer cheques it means there is one less problem we need to deal with in the future.


Jasandjules

72,640 posts

259 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Post dated cheques can be handy IMHO.

Dogwatch

6,384 posts

252 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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joewilliams said:
Relying on signatures on cheques to prevent fraud is hopeful, to say the least. The chances of the bank actually verifying cheques against the mandate are low, and the chances of them spotting the difference between a genuine signature and a fraudster with half an hour's signing practice even lower.
There is always scope for a fraudster but surely the point of the two signature requirement is that it deters fraud as, if the second signatory isn't in on the fraud then trying to withdraw funds fraudulently is going to be a lot harder.

The really dishonest are never going to be stopped but chancers can be.

miniman

30,157 posts

292 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Above a certain amount, banks might actually check the cheque, as it were. Below a certain threshold, it could be signed by M. Mouse and D. Duck and still be accepted.

speedchick

5,290 posts

252 months

Tuesday 12th July 2011
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Usually when booking craft fairs and other events, I have to pay up front with the booking, and everyone so far has asked for payment via a cheque, so that would have been something that would need some thinking about.

I don't usually take many when doing an event, but did have a customer on Saturday at a fair that really wanted a piece of jewellery, had no cash with her, and I don't have a card machine, luckilly she had her cheque book, but she was a little concerned about me accepting it as she can't guarantee it any more.

I'm glad they are staying.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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FourWheelDrift said:
Cheques are very useful for paying utilities companies. They have far too much history of taking out too much via direct debits.
Then pay online. I've been doing that for years & never once had a problem.