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pwig said:
Best thing to happen to F1 in years IMO
Totally agree, at last someone whos willing to take risks someone should tell him thats not allowed in current F1. I think its helped by Dave richards telling him to race for postion not points, top stuff.
>> Edited by GreaseNipple on Sunday 30th May 23:22
FourWheelDrift said:
I've looked at his pass attempt on Barrichello again and he would have made it if Barrichello hadn't turned in on him..
Yes, i agree, however the itv crew gave it lots of "he came from way back" well he was trying to outbrake Barrachello (who appeared to be going in reverse at that point) so it was going to be close but then what are mirrors for??
MoJo.
mojocvh said:He did it in beginning of the race too. IIRC after losing a couple of places in the start he got back to second position in the first corner, exactly the same way (although he lost it again immediately after).
I've looked at his pass attempt on Barrichello again and he would have made it if Barrichello hadn't turned in on him..
MoJo.
Great bloke.
Sato was an absolute twat in attempting to try and overtake from 3 cars lengths back at that corner while Rubens had already turned into the corner!!
Beginners mistake and he should be handed a penalty at the next race, if not given a race suspension for such a stupid move.
I stil like the look of him though as he is not your typical "bought a ride" Japanese driver, he actually has some talent and a willingness to have a go, just needs to learn when to have a go.
Beginners mistake and he should be handed a penalty at the next race, if not given a race suspension for such a stupid move.
I stil like the look of him though as he is not your typical "bought a ride" Japanese driver, he actually has some talent and a willingness to have a go, just needs to learn when to have a go.
foster3jd said:
Just watched the move on the highlights and IMHO Sato took an unnecessary risk and threw away a podium finish... Barrichello is not to blame.
Sato is a great prospect, but needs to improve his judgement and stop making schoolboy errors.
You've not seen any film of Gilles Villeneuve then?
What happened was he always drove back to the pits at speed, Jochen Mass who was in front of him saw him coming and instead of sticking to his line and allowing Villeneuve to make the pass on the side he chose he moved across into Vileneuves chosen line and a collision was inevitable.
But like Sato he also came from a long way back to pass Rene Arnoux at the French GP in 1979, even locking up his front wheels (which Sato didn't do because his was better timed). Arnoux gave Villeneuve the room. Barrichello like all modern GP drivers seem to think they can turn in everytime someone makes a move knowing that if there was a collision the car making the move is in the wrong. Only once has the person cutting back been penalised and that was ironically Michael Schumacher on Gilles son Jacques in 1997, it cost him the championship and he had all his points docked for the year to IIRC.
But like Sato he also came from a long way back to pass Rene Arnoux at the French GP in 1979, even locking up his front wheels (which Sato didn't do because his was better timed). Arnoux gave Villeneuve the room. Barrichello like all modern GP drivers seem to think they can turn in everytime someone makes a move knowing that if there was a collision the car making the move is in the wrong. Only once has the person cutting back been penalised and that was ironically Michael Schumacher on Gilles son Jacques in 1997, it cost him the championship and he had all his points docked for the year to IIRC.
Point of fact, Villeneuve was actually on a qualifying lap using his final set of tyres when the accident occurred. Yes, Mass did change line, but Villeneuve was seeing the red mist and refused to back off and it is this that resulted in the accident.
www.f1-grandprix.com/gvilleneuve.html
Having said that, I'd have to concede that the closing laps of the 1979 French GP were special and both Arnoux and Villeneuve indulged in some titanic wheel bashing... but it should be noted that Ferrari dominated the championship that year, whilst the extremely powerful and unreliable turbo-charged Renaults were not reknowned for there cornering ability.
Back to the thread... Sato needs to learn when and where to apply his talent, before he too suffers the consequence of his petulance.
>> Edited by foster3jd on Monday 31st May 18:13
www.f1-grandprix.com/gvilleneuve.html
Having said that, I'd have to concede that the closing laps of the 1979 French GP were special and both Arnoux and Villeneuve indulged in some titanic wheel bashing... but it should be noted that Ferrari dominated the championship that year, whilst the extremely powerful and unreliable turbo-charged Renaults were not reknowned for there cornering ability.
Back to the thread... Sato needs to learn when and where to apply his talent, before he too suffers the consequence of his petulance.
>> Edited by foster3jd on Monday 31st May 18:13
foster3jd said:
Point of fact, Villeneuve was actually on a qualifying lap using his final set of tyres when the accident occurred. Yes, Mass did change line, but Villeneuve was seeing the red mist and refused to back off and it is this that resulted in the accident.
<a href="http://www.f1-grandprix.com/gvilleneuve.html">www.f1-grandprix.com/gvilleneuve.html</a>
Quote from Mauro Forghieri who gave him a pit in board.
"I called him into the pits because his tyres were finished. He had already done three fast laps on them before and was close to the best time of Pironi and there was nothing more he could do. Gilles was coming in to the pits on the lap on which he had his crash. But even when the car was coming to the pits it was traveling at over 200 km/h. That was Gilles."
From a book, but you can probably find this on the web somewhere.
>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 31st May 18:22
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