Harry Metcalfe on the Griffith (video)
Harry Metcalfe on the Griffith (video)
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Chris71

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21,549 posts

271 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Harry Metcalfe has done an interesting video on saying goodbye to his Griffith on the Evo website:

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/269473...

It actually provides a very good summary of the model as well as a personal take on his ownership experience. The bit I found really interesting was the McLaren comment, though.

Apparently the Griff/Chim had the worst chassis rigidity of any car the McLaren engineers had tested. Clearly they'd never tested an S - much as I loved mine, you could feel the deflection simply transfering to the chassis if you stiffened the dampers up! It's still not exactly a strong point on the Chim/Griff, but it's a lot better than the earlier cars.

Moycie

536 posts

226 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Interesting to watch. Interesting also that Mr Metcalfe was compelled to do a goodbye video. To me, that also shows the cars attraction, in fact, probably the attraction of TVR cars full stop.

Thanks for posting.

Chris71

Original Poster:

21,549 posts

271 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Very true. You rarely see people bidding an emotional farewell to their car...

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Excellent, very fair I thought, time to stick a full cage in mine smile

RetroWheels

3,399 posts

300 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Know what he means about chassis stiffness , just bolting in the roll bar in my Chim resulted in a much more predictable car - more noticable on track days.

Peter66

119 posts

237 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Great video and very interesting. I always wanted a Griff since the day it came out. It's exactly the things Harry describes in his EVO video that makes the magic to want one. The fact that Harry with all his top car options takes the time and makes this video fully supports my feeling: The Griff is the Next Gen E-type, which is much more rare and will be a future classic. So best to cherish it and enjoy it as much as you can smile and let's beer to that!

Peter

Barreti

6,689 posts

266 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Yep, I think he has the car pretty well summed up there.

Notice he waxes lyrical about the noise of the pre-cat but wanted the power of the 5ltr. He should have got his hands on a 4.3 then :-)

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Barreti said:


Notice he waxes lyrical about the noise of the pre-cat but wanted the power of the 5ltr.
have to agree with him though, if you are used to driving a 500 the 4.3 is a disappointment power wise.

JamesK

2,124 posts

308 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Meh, that's what they made 4.5BVs for!!!

DonkeyApple

69,734 posts

198 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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A nice vid..

Isn't there a chassis mod that some people are doing that stiffens the old Griff/Chimp chassis up to T car spec?

I have to say that the first thing I noticed going from the Griff to the T350 was massively increased handling predicatability.

Not much is going to beat a roll cage but not sure if this could be added without spoiling the looks?

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Like Darren says above a decent roll bar makes a big difference, didn't HM Griff have budget dampers on it as well which wouldn't have helped ride, sounded like he needed a new starter motor as well.

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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SAGRIFF said:
have to agree with him though, if you are used to driving a 500 the 4.3 is a disappointment power wise.
I think you mean torque - not sure ones b*tt dyno would register an extra 15-20 bhp (if that)...

DonkeyApple

69,734 posts

198 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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900T-R said:
I think you mean torque - not sure ones b*tt dyno would register an extra 15-20 bhp (if that)...
The two feel very different but the actual end result isn't as disparate as the 0.7L would suggest.

The 500 definitely feels faster but a 4.3BV wouldn't be being left behind.

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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DonkeyApple said:


The 500 definitely feels faster but a 4.3BV wouldn't be being left behind.
you wanna bet wink

JamesK

2,124 posts

308 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Yes.

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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JamesK said:
Yes.
OK bring your standard 4.5BV to the next Vmax and I will take my standard 500 down and bring the video camera.

smile

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Standard 500 you say? Absolutely standard? No frigging chance against a healthy 450BV I'm afraid. I've got a lovely engine build (forged pistons, big journal crank, bespoke cam and porting) in my Chim but it's still 4.3 litres and standard sized intake valves and even before any induction work and set up, it trounced all the std 500s at a TVRCC NL rolling road day...

The shape of the respective torque curves is way different though - mine is essentially flat between 2-4K rpm where the 5 litres have a trademark hump from the lower midrange up to about 4K which makes them a) feel a lot faster as long as you don't use all the revs and b) a bit more unpredictable on the road in give-or-take conditions.

When you start opening up the intake restrictions upstream of the intake manifold in a 500, however... eekdriving

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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tumbleweed

I thought not,

SAGRIFF

2,312 posts

208 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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standard pre cats aren't as fast as standard 500s just more noisy (like their owners) FACT smile

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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The only shouty thing here is TVR's '320/340 bhp' claim for the 500 - um, try 255-260 on a good day...