HIIT Cardio - twice?
Discussion
I do my weightlifting at home, so when I go to the gym I normally do some warm up cardio on the bike, then do some stretches and stuff before finally doing HIIT cardio on the cross trainer usually.
I can manage around 5 30 seconds bursts of HIIT.
I was thinking of changing my workout slightly so that I do the warm up, then do the HIIT, rest for a bit and do stretches and then do another round of HIIT if I can.
Would doing HIIT twice so close together be productive or pointless?
I may not last very long on the second attempt - dunno. I normally get knackered but recover fairly quickly.
I can manage around 5 30 seconds bursts of HIIT.
I was thinking of changing my workout slightly so that I do the warm up, then do the HIIT, rest for a bit and do stretches and then do another round of HIIT if I can.
Would doing HIIT twice so close together be productive or pointless?
I may not last very long on the second attempt - dunno. I normally get knackered but recover fairly quickly.
Parsnip said:
I keep seeing this term about - what does it actually mean? Intervals by their definition are high intensity? Just another daft phrase invented by the fitness industry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_training
You go harder than normal for a bit, then ease off for a bit, so high intensity with intervals of normal intensity, and done regularly so you're training.
So just a daft phrase then - a few years ago it was tabata intervals, just seems to be renamed to HIIT - obviously easier to sell fitness DVDs if it is in acronym form - it must work, you never hear of good athletes doing more than 3-4 minutes of training a day to get their massive VO2 max numbers 
I was never convinced - they just sound like a really good way to get injured and a waste of time if not done properly.
If you are set on them 8* 20 on, 10 off is what you want from memory.
I was never convinced - they just sound like a really good way to get injured and a waste of time if not done properly.
If you are set on them 8* 20 on, 10 off is what you want from memory.
Tabata seems to be slightly different in that it is HIIT for both cardio type exercises and weight exercises. Tabata with squats looks interesting though.
From what I have seen online the term 'HIIT' generally applies to carido types of exercises (i.e treadmills, cycle, corss trainer). I have found doing shorter sessions of HIIT much more effective than longer slower sessions.
From what I have seen online the term 'HIIT' generally applies to carido types of exercises (i.e treadmills, cycle, corss trainer). I have found doing shorter sessions of HIIT much more effective than longer slower sessions.
No it's not just a fad/silly phrase, and it had been around for a long time. HIIT techniques are used by professional atheletes.
http://stronglifts.com/cardio-fat-loss-hiit-vs-lon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
http://stronglifts.com/cardio-fat-loss-hiit-vs-lon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
HIIT is a modern renaming of 'interval' training,which runners/cyclers have practised for years.All interval training is 'high intensity',i.e.periods of
intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
goldblum said:
HIIT is a modern renaming of 'interval' training,which runners/cyclers have practised for years.All interval training is 'high intensity',i.e.periods of
intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
That is kind of what I was getting at - people will still be doing intervals in 50 years time, will they still be talking about "HIIT"? Not a chance...intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
HIIT seems to be very specifically the super short intervals squeezed into a super short session thing - which I am far from convinced on - of course good athletes do interval training (hell, I do it and I'm far from good) but I bet you will struggle to find a good athlete who does 5 minutes of exercise and then calls it quits for the day - a few strides worked into a longer run or a proper intervals session, yes, but 4 minutes then going home? You can quote all the pseudo-science you want (there is usually plenty on a fad like this),
Fartlek is not the same as this HIIT thing, it is a longer mixed session - few sprints, bit of fast hill work, maybe a few fast 1km efforts - simulates responding to attacks in races, changes of pace etc.
Mojooo said:
From what I have seen online the term 'HIIT' generally applies to carido types of exercises (i.e treadmills, cycle, corss trainer). I have found doing shorter sessions of HIIT much more effective than longer slower sessions.
More effective at what, if you don't mind me asking? Parsnip said:
goldblum said:
HIIT is a modern renaming of 'interval' training,which runners/cyclers have practised for years.All interval training is 'high intensity',i.e.periods of
intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
That is kind of what I was getting at - people will still be doing intervals in 50 years time, will they still be talking about "HIIT"? Not a chance...intense effort followed by a recovery period.Runners etc will use it for speedwork and others weightloss.I'm not sure when the term was was rebadged.
HIIT seems to be very specifically the super short intervals squeezed into a super short session thing - which I am far from convinced on - of course good athletes do interval training (hell, I do it and I'm far from good) but I bet you will struggle to find a good athlete who does 5 minutes of exercise and then calls it quits for the day - a few strides worked into a longer run or a proper intervals session, yes, but 4 minutes then going home? You can quote all the pseudo-science you want (there is usually plenty on a fad like this),
Fartlek is not the same as this HIIT thing, it is a longer mixed session - few sprints, bit of fast hill work, maybe a few fast 1km efforts - simulates responding to attacks in races, changes of pace etc.
Mojooo said:
From what I have seen online the term 'HIIT' generally applies to carido types of exercises (i.e treadmills, cycle, corss trainer). I have found doing shorter sessions of HIIT much more effective than longer slower sessions.
More effective at what, if you don't mind me asking? Who in their right mind would do that?
Parsnip said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Where did you get those times from? I've never witnessed what you're talking about.
Who in their right mind would do that?
4 minutes for tabata (8* 20 on, 10 off)Who in their right mind would do that?
The OP states 5 30 second efforts - that's where I get the times from.
Ordinary_Chap said:
We are talking about HIIT and what the op can manage doesn't mean what the exercise is about. Starting at a low level in any exercise folk may struggle.
What is the exercise about then? I assumed HIIT was an actual thing, rather than just a generic term like intervals, which could mean 400s, 800s, miles, Fartlek etc. - isn't HIIT the short sprints and very short training session thing (maybe I have made the mistake of likening it to Tabata, which is warm up, 4 mins, warm down that a big cynic like me would refer to as a gimmick)?Parsnip said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
We are talking about HIIT and what the op can manage doesn't mean what the exercise is about. Starting at a low level in any exercise folk may struggle.
What is the exercise about then? I assumed HIIT was an actual thing, rather than just a generic term like intervals, which could mean 400s, 800s, miles, Fartlek etc. - isn't HIIT the short sprints and very short training session thing (maybe I have made the mistake of likening it to Tabata, which is warm up, 4 mins, warm down that a big cynic like me would refer to as a gimmick)?It's like a sweeping statement that can mean a lot of things dependent on it's application but it is essentially high interval training of a non specific type.
In 50 years' time? Well, if it is any good, then why not? If it is less effective than jogging 20 miles a day, then it'll be forgotten.
RemainAllHoof said:
Parsnip said:
Fartlek is not the same as this HIIT thing, it is a longer mixed session - few sprints, bit of fast hill work, maybe a few fast 1km efforts - simulates responding to attacks in races, changes of pace etc.
The concept is the same. How long you do it, is up to you. Small sessions HIIT are used by bodybuilders, fighters, strength athletes. Fartlek is just the special name of it for runners, who really only concentrate on running and don't do the other aspects. I followed an interval routine for my 10k this year. Will they still be talking aboot it in 50 years, yes they will, it's a pretty good name for interval training, it does what it says on the tin etc.For example a few years ago I would use HIIT/interval for 30mins running....2 mins slow, 1 min fast. I worked out heart rate and the like. It was hard and it helps with fat and athletic performance. I have played with different lengths and periods over the years. I like the 1min/2min formula, but you can do it however you like. 30secs/30secs etc.
Right now I am doing 45 mins LSD to make it easier for me to fit the cardio in since fat loss is the main focus, and my bear routine is a pretty good high intensity exercise.
http://louie1981.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/lsd-vs-h...
Edited by Halb on Sunday 3rd July 18:09
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