Audi 2.5 V6 Oil burner has lack of go

Audi 2.5 V6 Oil burner has lack of go

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Justin S

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3,657 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th May 2004
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My Audi has a lack of pull and runs out of steam.It has had 2 replacement mass airflow sensors and on my mates diagnostics is still saying low airflow,so we think it's an ECU problem or another sensor.We can hear the turbo spooling up,but there is ,what I guess something preventing the boost going to the inlet side.Anyone know anything about this fault.It's booked in for a rolling road next Wed,but if anyone could try and help in the meantime,thanks.

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Sunday 23rd May 2004
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Split induction hose? Blocked air filter? Crimped/split vacuum pipes? Wastegate jammed open? Turbo damaged?

Check all the obvious stuff first.

Justin S

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3,657 posts

268 months

Sunday 23rd May 2004
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Have checked and cleaned aif filter and box.There is no audible sound of a leaking hose because of lack of air noise.One thing that is possible is wastegate but according to my mates diagnostic plug in,the mass airflow meter is still reading low air.This also explains it being smoky black from the exhaust on acceleration,as lack of air movement.Even after trying 2 new airflows.We think it might be the ECU not reading right from the airflow sensor and throwing the management into 'get you home mode' or i suspect the turbo not spinning up to give the boost.Probably aiming at the first one.Will tell all hopefully on Wed night after the rolling road session.

Sparks

1,217 posts

286 months

Sunday 30th May 2004
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Air Mass Meter is probably the culprit. I believe it is a common problem on VAG diesels, and also on Saab (GM). My Saab slowly got sluggish, until it would have been quicker to push it out of junctions!
A new AMM should sort you out (turned my Saab back to a front tyre smoker, under provocation), although they are not cheap (apparently, mine was done under warranty).

HTH

Sparks

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Sunday 30th May 2004
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Its had 2 already!

Justin S

Original Poster:

3,657 posts

268 months

Sunday 30th May 2004
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we're still not sure what it is.The guy we took it to in Thruxton,wants it for a couple of days.He checked over the usual things,we saw the turbo spinning up nice and free,just is lacking boost.the wastegate seems to actuate.He wants to go through the wiring and all sensors.We know the engine has been changed at some point,although Audi don't have that info on their computer ( we checked it's history before we bought it) even tho' it has a full Audi service history.Luckily the garage we got it from is picking up the bill.....Just a sod,because it's a nice car.Will let you all know as soon as we do.

Sparks

1,217 posts

286 months

Monday 31st May 2004
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deltaf said:
Its had 2 already!


Could still be at fault. They are very fragile out of the car, so any rough transportation or being dropped can knacker them quite easily.

But I must admit to a bit of blindness, as I read the whole lot (I've made a fool of myself before) but still missed the two replacement AMM.

Good luck with fixing it though.

Sparks

deltaf

6,806 posts

260 months

Monday 31st May 2004
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Sparks said:

deltaf said:
Its had 2 already!



Could still be at fault. They are very fragile out of the car, so any rough transportation or being dropped can knacker them quite easily.

But I must admit to a bit of blindness, as I read the whole lot (I've made a fool of myself before) but still missed the two replacement AMM.

Good luck with fixing it though.

Sparks


lolol i was only quoting what id read too mate!

All Terrain

838 posts

264 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Its not somthing blocking the pipes to the turbo or air flow? like delamination of the tubes> or even a small rodent? I know a bloke who found a bid that got sucked into his airbox. Sounds daft but worth a shot.

Justin S

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3,657 posts

268 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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we've had all the pipework apart from the airbox to the turbo.The maf sensor was inspected in bits.With all the pipework apart,we could see the turbo spinning up.Could well be a turbo problem with maybe the wastegate not closing properly causing the lack of boost,so bypassing the inlet.I suppose putting a pressure gauge on the inlet pipe to the manifold might give an inlet boost pressure.Being a diesel,should only give about 10-12 psi boost.

All Terrain

838 posts

264 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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??? Thought diesels had a higer boost pressure on them? They dont suffer detonation as thats what they run on, and the engines are usually stronger. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick??

Pigeon

18,535 posts

253 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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Diesels can have a high boost pressure with fewer problems than a petrol, but most road applications don't take advantage of this.

Justin S

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3,657 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th June 2004
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West tuning at Thruxton have had it in bits today.First thoughts were that the 'variable vane' turbo was at fault.Before that was stripped to bits,he found the 'map sensor' near the intercooler was not reading,so causing the fault.He bypassed that and sadi it worked well.Just got to wait 2 days for a sensor now.......