Alfa 156 Thermostat
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alex_p

Original Poster:

217 posts

226 months

Friday 19th October 2007
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My 156 sits bang on 70 degrees for 90% of the time, I've always thought it should have been more like 90 but didn't mind while I was sat in summer traffic jams.

What I'm wondering is does the thermostat need changing, is it fairly easy and how much does it cost? Last one I did was on an Astra, it was easy and only coast about £10, can Alfa Romeo have made it difficult and expensive?

wrinx

680 posts

261 months

Friday 19th October 2007
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Presuming it's a Twinspark then they are a bit more expensive, about £40!

Does read like you need a new stat, you're right that it should show 90-92 degrees.

wrinx

alex_p

Original Poster:

217 posts

226 months

Friday 19th October 2007
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Thanks for that. £40 isn't too bad I suppose, providing I don't break anything else changing it over! Are there separate gasket kits that I'll need or does everything come in one box?

wrinx

680 posts

261 months

Friday 19th October 2007
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No gasket needed but you will need a supply of jubilee clips so get them first. The job is a bit of a pain, loads of pipes, but should only take about half an hour depending on how easily the old clips come off!


Avocet

800 posts

276 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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I got one for the Wife's 1.8 156 a few months ago from EB Spares - about £30. Not too bad a job but a bit fiddly getting the bottom bolt back in. Best to to the most difficult bolts first!

herbialfa

1,489 posts

223 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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shop4parts is the cheapest place I've found!

Register with them and they will email you their deals every month!

wadgebeast

3,856 posts

232 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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My twinnie spider sits at 75 degrees pretty much most of the time and only rises to 90 in traffic. Missus' volvo reads 81 degrees until traffic.

Personally wouldn't worry about it as long as the heater works! Better to read under than over.....

Ian Lusso

14 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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I suspect that the temperature guages under read due to positioning of the temperature sensor. Most 156's I've seen hang around the 70 degree mark, and mine specifically just reaches 90 then cools to 70 and will cycle like that about 3-4 times a minute while I'm traveling at 140km/h at an ambient temperature of around 25 degrees C. Apparently this is normal.

exgtt

2,067 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Hi my thermostat was stuck open on me 156 V6 when i first bought it, it would drop to say 70 degrees on the motorway then rise to 92 through town in hot weather (before the fans kicked in), it definatly sounds like yours is also stuck open, as the car should be a constant 87-92 degrees once up to full temp - 70 is a bit low. Fittings a doddle have a look on 156.net for a guide on how to do this. You will lose a bit of coolant in the process.

rabw

9,027 posts

229 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Hi my thermostat was stuck open when I got my GTV.

It's a pretty easy job, the bolt underneath was not hard to undo/do up for me.

I've made a twinspark thermostat guide here with pictures, for anyone that is interested.

Edited by rabw on Wednesday 24th October 13:23

DamienCBR

2,037 posts

244 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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I asked a similar question last year. Mine sits just about 70 all of the time, get into traffic up to just gone 90 and then the fan kick in back down to 70. I asked the main dealer and he said..... yeah that is normal. I was also under the impression that most cars run at around 90. My Lotus runs at arond 85-90.

I suggested that it needs a new thermostat and they said not so have left it. In the summer it might be a couple of degrees warmer but nothing really.
So basically i was told to leave.

D

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

219 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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It's obviously a hot issue...

OldEngineer

32 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th October 2007
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This is quite simple...70c means it has failed, 90c it hasn't failed.

Many twin sparks go up to 90c then fall back to 70c...this still is a failed unit.

After you change it you will find that the temperature climbs steadily up to 90c then stays rock solid. Don't work on the belief that it's OK to run at 70c because it's cooler. You are just wearing out the engine.

wrinx

680 posts

261 months

Friday 26th October 2007
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Completely agree....anything below the 90deg mark is a failure. Temperature should be reached after a few miles and stay steady. If you only see that temperature in traffic you need a new thermostat.

Car will reach efficient operating temperature much quicker, give you cabin heat much quicker, engine will be running better and save you money via the fuel pump.

wrinx

DamienCBR

2,037 posts

244 months

Friday 26th October 2007
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I will tell the dealer again when it goes in for service next month, who knows what they will do.

D

Avocet

800 posts

276 months

Sunday 28th October 2007
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It can't ever stay rock steady! If it did, the fans would never cut in!

I agree it should not drop below (whatever temperature the thermostat is set to (82??)), but it can go above that. In reality, I wouldn't be too bothered if mine went down to 70 on occasions, but not below that. Certainly if I am driving my wife's 156 on a sunny day with the gauge showing about 85 and I accelerate hard up a hill for 30 seconds or so, it will climb to just over 90 before dropping back again when I lift off.

Dave Brand

941 posts

289 months

Sunday 28th October 2007
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Avocet said:
It can't ever stay rock steady! If it did, the fans would never cut in!
My 145 does!There may be a very small fluctuation, but to all intents & purposes (whatever that means!) it sits at a steady 90 once warmed up. There should never be a noticeable drop in temperature, as the thermostat will close to prevent that; when the car's stationary, lack of airflow through the radiator may allow a small rise in temperature, but that's what the fans are for! Bear in mind that thermostats aren't just open or closed - the opening is proportional to temperature, so they can control to a very small variation.

Avocet

800 posts

276 months

Sunday 28th October 2007
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That's really what I was saying! When stationary - or working hard at lower speeds, the temperature WILL go up and the fans WILL cut in to bring it down! Thermostats can't do anything more to cool the engine once they're fully open!

rabw

9,027 posts

229 months

Sunday 28th October 2007
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well after I replaced my thermostat with a brand new one, the heater came on quicker and I could watch the temp get to 90 before then dropping after it opened to around 75/80 I guess. Never stayed at 90 constant though.

alex_p

Original Poster:

217 posts

226 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Thanks for the info everyone, thought it was probably stuck open so will have a ring round later in the week for one and change it at the weekend!