156 GTA Sportwagon prices.
Discussion
I've said in another post here that my GTA Sportwagon is probably the best one in Europe, if not globally. It occurs to me, though, that in order to substantiate my claim I really should find out if anyone is aware if there are any 156 GTA Sportwagons that have been entered into any concours competitions. Having once been a concours judge of Jaguars, I am well aware of the extremely high standard expected of concours cars, and my GTA, although being exceptional, may not altogether match any that are. Does anyone know of any that have been entered into a concours ?
I dont know TBH, 147 GTAs seem to fetch 10K (euros) or thereabouts over here, but there is a very low mileage 156 SW GTA selespeed for sale locally for 27K, but its been there for ages (as in, i think at least two years for sale), so i dont think that is a realistic price.
Claiming yours is the best GTA SW in the world is a bold claim though, maybe get it appraised?
Claiming yours is the best GTA SW in the world is a bold claim though, maybe get it appraised?
Vitorio said:
I dont know TBH, 147 GTAs seem to fetch 10K (euros) or thereabouts over here, but there is a very low mileage 156 SW GTA selespeed for sale locally for 27K, but its been there for ages (as in, i think at least two years for sale), so i dont think that is a realistic price.
Claiming yours is the best GTA SW in the world is a bold claim though, maybe get it appraised?
Hi Vitorio,Claiming yours is the best GTA SW in the world is a bold claim though, maybe get it appraised?
I scour the ads regularly for 156 GTA ads and have never seen the one you mention. Can you please provide a link or more information ? £22 k is the highest priced one I have found.
It is interesting that you suggest an appraisal. What sort of firm would do that, do you think ?
What makes mine so exceptionally good, apart from its truly magnificent condition, are the facts that it is the last 156 GTA off the production line ( one was registered in the UK later than mine, but was made earlier ), one lady owner from new ( me ), and a verifiable mileage of
38,000 miles. Plus, it is a Selespeed Sportwagon and very fully loaded..........I even had it fitted with an electric sliding sunroof when the supplying main dealer said it wasn't possible.
I went to another AR main dealer who said it was.
I know that there used to be dinosaurs out there who maintained that Selespeed, Tiptronic, Touchtronic gearboxes were not as nice as a manual box ( the biggest dinosaur of all - Mr. J. Clarkson - can be largely blamed for that ! ) , but I have owned Alfas, Astons, Porsches and Bentleys with this type of box, and flappy paddles just cannot be beaten !
Cheers,
Roseanne.
MDMA . said:
Lets see some pics then. Love a 156 GTA 
Ps, last GTA i went to buy was stolen/recovered and badly painted. Doing the rounds at Alfa shows now. GTA in the reg. So one mans perfect, doesn't make another. I passed on the GTA by the way ( not perfect in many ways ).
As recently as an hour ago, my GTA came back from the workshop having had all its alloysPs, last GTA i went to buy was stolen/recovered and badly painted. Doing the rounds at Alfa shows now. GTA in the reg. So one mans perfect, doesn't make another. I passed on the GTA by the way ( not perfect in many ways ).
( non standard spokes, not teledyne ) refurbished.
I might need some help from you guys in submitting the pics., but they will follow just as soon as God made little green apples.
How can I send pics to this forum ?
Cheers,
Roseanne.
davebem said:
I seem to remember the Alfa owners club usually have a concours competition each year, it will be good to have a 156 in it. Can we have a readers cars thread on it too?
The number of GTA's imported into the UK were minuscule ( one website states that very few came here, but it might just mean Sportwagons ). The likelihood of one being made up to concours standard, therefore, is proportionately small. The other thing that the above mentioned website also claims about GTA's, is that although the number registered with the DVLA fluctuates yearly ( I guess some are SORNED,mine certainly is ), the number of them now is the same as when they were first registered, so I guess that none have been scrapped or written off ; does that seem likely ?Roseanne.
davebem said:
I have no doubt the price of GTAs is going up, infact any mint/original Alfa with a V6 deserves to, but a number of GTAs are being imported in from Japan at the moment and its slightly possible the market will end up diluted as they only appeal to a unique number of enthusiasts?
Coming in from Japan,eh ? When I ordered my GTA some 10 or 12 years ago, Alfa cancelled my order after about five months waiting. I explored the feasibility of importing one from Japan and Malaysia, but found out that they cost very much more there, plus the horrendous cost of shipping. In the end I leant on Alfa and eventually got my car. I wonder what the Jap imports are going for now ?Rosanne said:
I've said in another post here that my GTA Sportwagon is probably the best one in Europe, if not globally. It occurs to me, though, that in order to substantiate my claim I really should find out if anyone is aware if there are any 156 GTA Sportwagons that have been entered into any concours competitions. Having once been a concours judge of Jaguars, I am well aware of the extremely high standard expected of concours cars, and my GTA, although being exceptional, may not altogether match any that are. Does anyone know of any that have been entered into a concours ?
Hi Rosanne - Would love to see some pics of yours, and more about the province of your GTA SW. I'm a fellow GTA SW owner, and I'm told by more than just one of the UK's leading independent GTA specialists, that they think mine is one of, if not the best GTA SW out there (I just think they are being very nice). I actually think that mine is in excellent condition but certainly not what I'd term as concourse, however it would not take much to go to the next level.I once saw a GTA saloon about four years ago. The owner had it from new and took it to Auto Italia at Brooklands. It was in better condition than new, and almost unused with about 14k miles. That's what I'd bench mark as concourse, and if it were to be sold, I guess he could easily start at £25k+, he said it had only been in the rain briefly twice!
In terms of value I feel, given that one or two GTA selespeed saloon's hit the market in the last year in first class condition appear to have been sold somewhere between £20k to £24k, my guess is that GTA SW with an average mileage of say 3k per year would be somewhere between £16k to £22k. That would be for an excellent immaculate original example with very strong provenance.
I'm really not good at taking pics...but here is one anyway !
Rosanne said:
MDMA . said:
Lets see some pics then. Love a 156 GTA
Ps, last GTA i went to buy was stolen/recovered and badly painted. Doing the rounds at Alfa shows now. GTA in the reg. So one mans perfect, doesn't make another. I passed on the GTA by the way ( not perfect in many ways ).
As recently as an hour ago, my GTA came back from the workshop having had all its alloysPs, last GTA i went to buy was stolen/recovered and badly painted. Doing the rounds at Alfa shows now. GTA in the reg. So one mans perfect, doesn't make another. I passed on the GTA by the way ( not perfect in many ways ).
( non standard spokes, not teledyne ) refurbished.
I might need some help from you guys in submitting the pics., but they will follow just as soon as God made little green apples.
How can I send pics to this forum ?
Cheers,
Roseanne.
The Alfa Romeo Owners Club have Concourse competitions at all their major events. The biggest being National Alfa Day (NAD) which is usually in mid summer and held at a country house somewhere, usually in the Midlands where it is fairly central. I'm not really a concourse sort of person, but I'm sure if you entered your GTA they would be delighted to have it.
My understanding is there were 99 GTA SW brought in when they were originally on sale. Selespeeds whether Saloons or Wagons were extremely rare, I believe about a dozen. However a couple of years after they stopped being sold over here a batch of 156's originally meant for Malaysia started appearing in the UK, I think quite a few of these were Selespeeds.
There was also a batch of Smoke Damaged 156's which appeared about the same time too, I think a ship bound for the Far East had caught fire and some of the Cars were recovered and sold off over here. Not sure if any were GTA's though.
No idea on real values, they seem to vary from dirt cheap to astronomic. I do still regret letting my GTA SW go for 7k 9 years ago though.
My understanding is there were 99 GTA SW brought in when they were originally on sale. Selespeeds whether Saloons or Wagons were extremely rare, I believe about a dozen. However a couple of years after they stopped being sold over here a batch of 156's originally meant for Malaysia started appearing in the UK, I think quite a few of these were Selespeeds.
There was also a batch of Smoke Damaged 156's which appeared about the same time too, I think a ship bound for the Far East had caught fire and some of the Cars were recovered and sold off over here. Not sure if any were GTA's though.
No idea on real values, they seem to vary from dirt cheap to astronomic. I do still regret letting my GTA SW go for 7k 9 years ago though.
bilo999 said:
Hi Rosanne - Would love to see some pics of yours, and more about the province of your GTA SW. I'm a fellow GTA SW owner, and I'm told by more than just one of the UK's leading independent GTA specialists, that they think mine is one of, if not the best GTA SW out there (I just think they are being very nice). I actually think that mine is in excellent condition but certainly not what I'd term as concourse, however it would not take much to go to the next level.
I once saw a GTA saloon about four years ago. The owner had it from new and took it to Auto Italia at Brooklands. It was in better condition than new, and almost unused with about 14k miles. That's what I'd bench mark as concourse, and if it were to be sold, I guess he could easily start at £25k+, he said it had only been in the rain briefly twice!
In terms of value I feel, given that one or two GTA selespeed saloon's hit the market in the last year in first class condition appear to have been sold somewhere between £20k to £24k, my guess is that GTA SW with an average mileage of say 3k per year would be somewhere between £16k to £22k. That would be for an excellent immaculate original example with very strong provenance.
I'm really not good at taking pics...but here is one anyway !
Hi,I once saw a GTA saloon about four years ago. The owner had it from new and took it to Auto Italia at Brooklands. It was in better condition than new, and almost unused with about 14k miles. That's what I'd bench mark as concourse, and if it were to be sold, I guess he could easily start at £25k+, he said it had only been in the rain briefly twice!
In terms of value I feel, given that one or two GTA selespeed saloon's hit the market in the last year in first class condition appear to have been sold somewhere between £20k to £24k, my guess is that GTA SW with an average mileage of say 3k per year would be somewhere between £16k to £22k. That would be for an excellent immaculate original example with very strong provenance.
I'm really not good at taking pics...but here is one anyway !
Yours is certainly a beautiful car, and makes me think I should have chosen red paintwork, but I chose metallic black with a full black interior instead. You have the same wheels as I chose.
If I understand you correctly from your comments re value, you seem to be saying that SW are valued less than saloons - is that right ?
Your comments re the Auto Italia exhibited car are interesting ; maybe I should review my statement about my car being the best one available, but I don't think so, and anyway, unless he wants to sell his car he is out of the running, ain't he ! I'm gonna sell mine soon.
As far as provenance is concerned, what else can I say ?- One lady owner, last GTA off the production line, less than 38,000 miles.
I'm off to Cheltenham for a long weekend at the races tomorrow, but I'll post some pics when I get back.
Ciao, Rosanne.
velocemitch said:
The Alfa Romeo Owners Club have Concourse competitions at all their major events. The biggest being National Alfa Day (NAD) which is usually in mid summer and held at a country house somewhere, usually in the Midlands where it is fairly central. I'm not really a concourse sort of person, but I'm sure if you entered your GTA they would be delighted to have it.
My understanding is there were 99 GTA SW brought in when they were originally on sale. Selespeeds whether Saloons or Wagons were extremely rare, I believe about a dozen. However a couple of years after they stopped being sold over here a batch of 156's originally meant for Malaysia started appearing in the UK, I think quite a few of these were Selespeeds.
There was also a batch of Smoke Damaged 156's which appeared about the same time too, I think a ship bound for the Far East had caught fire and some of the Cars were recovered and sold off over here. Not sure if any were GTA's though.
No idea on real values, they seem to vary from dirt cheap to astronomic. I do still regret letting my GTA SW go for 7k 9 years ago though.
Hallo,My understanding is there were 99 GTA SW brought in when they were originally on sale. Selespeeds whether Saloons or Wagons were extremely rare, I believe about a dozen. However a couple of years after they stopped being sold over here a batch of 156's originally meant for Malaysia started appearing in the UK, I think quite a few of these were Selespeeds.
There was also a batch of Smoke Damaged 156's which appeared about the same time too, I think a ship bound for the Far East had caught fire and some of the Cars were recovered and sold off over here. Not sure if any were GTA's though.
No idea on real values, they seem to vary from dirt cheap to astronomic. I do still regret letting my GTA SW go for 7k 9 years ago though.
Knowing how exceptional concours cars need to be, I'm not going to put mine in one since I don't have the time to take a toothbrush to my engine bay, and anyway I plan to sell my GTA before next year.
I recall what you say about the cars intended for Malaysia. They all had beige cloth interiors since cloth is cooler in hot weather than leather. I may be wrong, but I also think that they were all painted black.
Cheers, Rosanne.
Hi - to all current 156 GTA owners - what is the condition of your display - the one that at the moment will be saying "OKT". BTW also very interested to hear from anyone with a 156GTA whose display says OCT at the moment.
For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
omniflow said:
Hi - to all current 156 GTA owners - what is the condition of your display - the one that at the moment will be saying "OKT". BTW also very interested to hear from anyone with a 156GTA whose display says OCT at the moment.
For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
I think that you are right about the Selespeed and spoked alloys ; they don't add to the price, but then they don't detract either.For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
Insofar as a black interior is concerned, I have gone for black ever since I had three Ferraris with magnolia leather interiors. Back in the day, if you bought a used Ferrari ( I had a
246 Dino, a 308, and a 328, all Spiders ), then you had little choice BUT a magnolia interior, generally piped in red. Both my Continental GTC and Golf GTi have black interiors, as well as my GTA, for which I ordered black and mid blue leather, but then changed my order to all black.
Having said that, my Audi S4 Quattro Avant V8 has a pale grey leather interior, but then my husband mainly drives that. The exception to my all black rule is my DB9 Volante, which, being painted in Californian Sage ( a pale metallic green as per Aston Martin's British Racing Green ), just had to have a two tone cream and green interior.......mainly green.
The Lagonda Rapide I have just inherited has a dark maroon interior with blood red carpets,
but I have to accept that, since, A. the paintwork is maroon over black , B. it would cost too much to change it, and C. the originality of a valuable car like this is just too important to bugger around with.
Freud ( Sigmund, not Clement ! ) would no doubt be alarmed at my insistence on black interiors, but I just love the way that I am absorbed by the car when it is all black inside......maybe it's just a female thing !
I've just kicked my husband out of bed to make some tea. He has corrected me over the interior colour of my 328. It was Chestnut, not magnolia. He remembered this because he always maintained that it looked like someone had hung their a--e over the side of the door and then shat into the car.........he has such a lovely turn of phrase, don't you think ?
omniflow said:
Hi - to all current 156 GTA owners - what is the condition of your display - the one that at the moment will be saying "OKT". BTW also very interested to hear from anyone with a 156GTA whose display says OCT at the moment.
For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
I've always loved the yearly "OKT" period - a very Alfa-like approach to translation..."Okt?" F**k it, that's close enough."For anyone that has had this fixed, where did you do it, and how much was it.
I also have a 156 GTA Sportwagon, owned by me from new. My assessment of the top whack price of one of these is £12K - the chap asking £22k or maybe £27k is deluded.
Personally I don't think the selespeed adds anything to the value - but then again I don't own one. Also, I think the spoked alloys detract from the value - but then again I have teledials. I also think that any plain black interior screams "dealer demonstrator" - but maybe that's just me.
The display on my Nov 2002 Saloon has just started to fade over the last 12 months -I'd also be interested in hearing if anyone has had the display fixed/exchanged. I bought an exchange unit for the much smaller display on a 1993 164 24 valve Super which, many years ago, cost me about £200, so I'm guessing the GTA unit would be quite expensive.
Talking of expensive GTA bits, I just ordered a pair of front wings for my mechanically perfect but far-from concours example. Italia Ricambi have them if anyone is looking for them (£880 a pair delivered).
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