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probably no grin. It is pretty pointless to have this kind of mod on normally aspirated engine.
This is a must have on say a sl 55 amg, or porsche 996-997 turbo, or turbo diesel cars. On the turbo / compressor cars, you can inflate both the torque and power figure. It makes a HUGE difference.
But waste of money on anything else. Simple fact is if they get more power out of your car, they will move the max torque figure higher up in the rev range and you will loose in terms of diveability.
The one only thing that may be better is the throttle response. But there are plenty of people out there much cheaper than DMS who can do the job. It is a minefield. So beware.
You also potentially loose the MB factory warranty.
Do your homework before you go and spend your money.
This is a must have on say a sl 55 amg, or porsche 996-997 turbo, or turbo diesel cars. On the turbo / compressor cars, you can inflate both the torque and power figure. It makes a HUGE difference.
But waste of money on anything else. Simple fact is if they get more power out of your car, they will move the max torque figure higher up in the rev range and you will loose in terms of diveability.
The one only thing that may be better is the throttle response. But there are plenty of people out there much cheaper than DMS who can do the job. It is a minefield. So beware.
You also potentially loose the MB factory warranty.
Do your homework before you go and spend your money.
The response from erics is correct for almost all N/A cars but for C63's, it's actually totally incorrect.
The C63 uses the same engine as the other AMG '63's...E, S, CL and SL...all of which have around 520-530bhp. The only difference is the C63 is detuned at the factory and I believe its quite a simple de-tune - they artificially limit the throttle body opening to 50% even when you are using full throttle (actually, even the more powerful S, SL's etc open just 80% - no idea why).
Anyway, it relatively easy to release the power on the C63 to get it to the same factory level as the other AMG 63's...of course, if you owned an SL, it wouldn't be so easy to increase the power much more on that.
I spend a fair amount of time on the US AMG forum and they swear by the ECU tunes - and most have dyno results to prove it. You can expect a good 60bhp and 50lb/ft increase and this will be very noticeable at the top end.
As an example, I own a new C63 with Performance Pack Plus - this has an extra 30bhp over a standard C63 and above 5k rpm it is lethal...noticeably quicker than my previous car which was a standard 457bhp C63.
I too am shortly going to be taking the performance of mine a step further but have opted for a Brabus B63 Kit instead.
Brabus used to only do a 530bhp kit which included metal catalysts and cost stupid money (like £9k+!!) but they've now launched a 520bhp version for less than half that. It's still 3x the price of DMS but my car is brand new and the kit is fitted officially at a Mercedes dealer and does not affect the warranty - it's about as close to being manufacturer approved as you can get and is therefore risk free on a brand new car. It also includes a module that you plug into the ECU which allows you to take off the map and put it back on whenever you want. For instance, if Mercedes accidentally wipe the DMS map off a car, you have to go back to DMS to have the map put back on (althought this may be done FOC??).
The Brabus kit is very expensive but it is probably the best developed tune available for this car, is the only one with a consequential loss warranty covering every part of the drivetrain (and which is backed by Mercedes) and as far as I know, is the only one officially performance tested with a quoted 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds.
The C63 uses the same engine as the other AMG '63's...E, S, CL and SL...all of which have around 520-530bhp. The only difference is the C63 is detuned at the factory and I believe its quite a simple de-tune - they artificially limit the throttle body opening to 50% even when you are using full throttle (actually, even the more powerful S, SL's etc open just 80% - no idea why).
Anyway, it relatively easy to release the power on the C63 to get it to the same factory level as the other AMG 63's...of course, if you owned an SL, it wouldn't be so easy to increase the power much more on that.
I spend a fair amount of time on the US AMG forum and they swear by the ECU tunes - and most have dyno results to prove it. You can expect a good 60bhp and 50lb/ft increase and this will be very noticeable at the top end.
As an example, I own a new C63 with Performance Pack Plus - this has an extra 30bhp over a standard C63 and above 5k rpm it is lethal...noticeably quicker than my previous car which was a standard 457bhp C63.
I too am shortly going to be taking the performance of mine a step further but have opted for a Brabus B63 Kit instead.
Brabus used to only do a 530bhp kit which included metal catalysts and cost stupid money (like £9k+!!) but they've now launched a 520bhp version for less than half that. It's still 3x the price of DMS but my car is brand new and the kit is fitted officially at a Mercedes dealer and does not affect the warranty - it's about as close to being manufacturer approved as you can get and is therefore risk free on a brand new car. It also includes a module that you plug into the ECU which allows you to take off the map and put it back on whenever you want. For instance, if Mercedes accidentally wipe the DMS map off a car, you have to go back to DMS to have the map put back on (althought this may be done FOC??).
The Brabus kit is very expensive but it is probably the best developed tune available for this car, is the only one with a consequential loss warranty covering every part of the drivetrain (and which is backed by Mercedes) and as far as I know, is the only one officially performance tested with a quoted 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds.
Just been on a favourite road of mine to Sunningdale and currently sat in Pizza Express, well what can I say. It's amazing, the engine note has changed hugely, sounds like a supercharger!
Torque is great and for some reason it pops and bangs nicely now to!
Very impressed, worth it in my eyes!
Rob and Mike have a great program there!
Torque is great and for some reason it pops and bangs nicely now to!
Very impressed, worth it in my eyes!
Rob and Mike have a great program there!
i disagree there is a lot of difference between the standard setup and the dms remap,it feels much faster and sharper and also comes with the full delimit.
the remap is untraceable at the dealership so would make no difference to the warranty.
i think quite a few people have had the remap done by dms.
the price is not as bad as what the other companys are charging.
i dont think you can really say that somethink is pointless unless you have had it done and you can compare the difference.
just to give you a example some said that the performance pack was a waste of money over the standard car but the difference between the 2 was massive the ppack drove a lot better than the standard 1.
having just taken delivery of a ppplus c63 i can feel the difference between all 3 of the cars.the extra 30 bhp can be felt over the base car the engine feels more free.
my only complaint is that they have removed the sport suspension off the ppplus cars which makes the ride a bit softer.
hope that helps.
i would have it done.
the remap is untraceable at the dealership so would make no difference to the warranty.
i think quite a few people have had the remap done by dms.
the price is not as bad as what the other companys are charging.
i dont think you can really say that somethink is pointless unless you have had it done and you can compare the difference.
just to give you a example some said that the performance pack was a waste of money over the standard car but the difference between the 2 was massive the ppack drove a lot better than the standard 1.
having just taken delivery of a ppplus c63 i can feel the difference between all 3 of the cars.the extra 30 bhp can be felt over the base car the engine feels more free.
my only complaint is that they have removed the sport suspension off the ppplus cars which makes the ride a bit softer.
hope that helps.
i would have it done.
<the remap is untraceable at the dealership so would make no difference to the warranty.>
They will not find it as long as there is nothing serious going wrong with the car.
Rest assured that if the engine goes pop or if there is any serious mechanical issue with the car (gearbox or others), then they will find it! If it isn' t the dealership, the mother-ship in Germany will investigate thoroughly.
There are plenty of similar threads going in the porsche forum among other places.
I stand corrected then, I did not know about about the throttle body limited openings.
Just do not be fooled thinking that there are no implications with the factory / warranty if something goes wrong. Regardless of what DMS tells you.
Remaps always give much better results on turbo' ed or kompressor' ed cars.
They will not find it as long as there is nothing serious going wrong with the car.
Rest assured that if the engine goes pop or if there is any serious mechanical issue with the car (gearbox or others), then they will find it! If it isn' t the dealership, the mother-ship in Germany will investigate thoroughly.
There are plenty of similar threads going in the porsche forum among other places.
I stand corrected then, I did not know about about the throttle body limited openings.
Just do not be fooled thinking that there are no implications with the factory / warranty if something goes wrong. Regardless of what DMS tells you.
Remaps always give much better results on turbo' ed or kompressor' ed cars.
dotcom said:
Just been on a favourite road of mine to Sunningdale and currently sat in Pizza Express, well what can I say. It's amazing, the engine note has changed hugely, sounds like a supercharger!
Torque is great and for some reason it pops and bangs nicely now to!
Very impressed, worth it in my eyes!
Rob and Mike have a great program there!
Im just looking at your old posting, i am just looking at having my C63 mapped with DMS, have you had any problems and do you recommend it.Torque is great and for some reason it pops and bangs nicely now to!
Very impressed, worth it in my eyes!
Rob and Mike have a great program there!
You seemed delighted.
Cheers
amg master said:
i disagree there is a lot of difference between the standard setup and the dms remap,it feels much faster and sharper and also comes with the full delimit.
the remap is untraceable at the dealership so would make no difference to the warranty.
i think quite a few people have had the remap done by dms.
the price is not as bad as what the other companys are charging.
i dont think you can really say that somethink is pointless unless you have had it done and you can compare the difference.
just to give you a example some said that the performance pack was a waste of money over the standard car but the difference between the 2 was massive the ppack drove a lot better than the standard 1.
having just taken delivery of a ppplus c63 i can feel the difference between all 3 of the cars.the extra 30 bhp can be felt over the base car the engine feels more free.
my only complaint is that they have removed the sport suspension off the ppplus cars which makes the ride a bit softer.
hope that helps.
i would have it done.
I have a 2012 C63 PP with the trick suspension and I'd give a significant amount to make it more comfortable. The last thing it needs is more power, what it needs is "turn off all the annoying technology" button. The engine is brilliant, the rest, the jury is out...the remap is untraceable at the dealership so would make no difference to the warranty.
i think quite a few people have had the remap done by dms.
the price is not as bad as what the other companys are charging.
i dont think you can really say that somethink is pointless unless you have had it done and you can compare the difference.
just to give you a example some said that the performance pack was a waste of money over the standard car but the difference between the 2 was massive the ppack drove a lot better than the standard 1.
having just taken delivery of a ppplus c63 i can feel the difference between all 3 of the cars.the extra 30 bhp can be felt over the base car the engine feels more free.
my only complaint is that they have removed the sport suspension off the ppplus cars which makes the ride a bit softer.
hope that helps.
i would have it done.
http://rjmghome.blogspot.co.uk/#!/2013/01/c63-amg-...
f328nvl said:
I have a 2012 C63 PP with the trick suspension and I'd give a significant amount to make it more comfortable. The last thing it needs is more power, what it needs is "turn off all the annoying technology" button. The engine is brilliant, the rest, the jury is out...
http://rjmghome.blogspot.co.uk/#!/2013/01/c63-amg-...
Thread resurrection and all that, but I can’t seriously believe the above given that:http://rjmghome.blogspot.co.uk/#!/2013/01/c63-amg-...
A) Traction control on M cars or Audi RS cars is FAR more annoying and intrusive than the AMG equivalent; even when switched on the AMG allows more slip before reigning the power in.
B) What else is classed as “annoying technology”?
Lane assist can be turned off easily as can blind spot assist and active radar in the “assist” settings menu, so may just be user error
. The other nice thing is that turning them off doesn’t give you stupid warning lights on the dash like some manufacturers.C) If you had a 2012 it would have been a PPP not a PP with lowered suspension as the PPP cars had no suspension mods, just engine internals, map and other cosmetic changes. PP cars were pre facelift cars with torque converters, lowered suspension etc.
The facelift cars had the significantly revised interior, front end and other changes.
Not sure you got the designation / year correct.
Just for anyone else who reads this
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