190 Evo II info required
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I know there are a few officianardos of the 190 series on here as i have read some of the threads on the Cosworth and Evo models. I was unfortunate a couple of years ago to miss the purchase of a very nice, UK registered, Evo II in North London by a couple of hours, (someone else beat me to it) so i have been biding my time for one to come along again.
Just seen this for sale:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/316395.htm
and was wondering if anyone knows any history of the car or what i should look out for. I work overseas and shall be returning to the UK on Saturday, so was wondering if anyone could give the heads up on any major potential problem areas before i go to look. Not sure on the pricing of it, but i feel maybe a little on the high side for the milage, however im sure that can be a positive talking point if the owner really wants to sell.
Just seen this for sale:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/316395.htm
and was wondering if anyone knows any history of the car or what i should look out for. I work overseas and shall be returning to the UK on Saturday, so was wondering if anyone could give the heads up on any major potential problem areas before i go to look. Not sure on the pricing of it, but i feel maybe a little on the high side for the milage, however im sure that can be a positive talking point if the owner really wants to sell.
Odd that it has been "fully restored", but then it does seem to have covered a lot of miles. Have you thought of looking on the continent - since they are all lhd this shouldn't be an issue.
To my mind, a car that "young" should not have needed a restoration and I also think it's up for all of its money. On www.mobile.de there is a choice of 5 Evo IIs between 27k and 32k Euros. If you are coming from abroad to look at a car, presumably a trip to Germany is as convenient as one to the UK?
Finally, I'd always be suspicious of a collectors car with non-standard parts...the one on PH appears to have blacked out windows doesn't it?
To my mind, a car that "young" should not have needed a restoration and I also think it's up for all of its money. On www.mobile.de there is a choice of 5 Evo IIs between 27k and 32k Euros. If you are coming from abroad to look at a car, presumably a trip to Germany is as convenient as one to the UK?
Finally, I'd always be suspicious of a collectors car with non-standard parts...the one on PH appears to have blacked out windows doesn't it?
Hi rubystone
The blacked out windows dont worry me too much im sure its an easy fix to return to standard. I know they are all LHD but would prefer an original UK registered car as i understand there was only six sold in the UK sometime ago, my memory tells me there are only 3 or 4 left, i was wondering if this is one of those. Apart from me contacting the owner, was hoping to hear if anyone on here know any history. I agree with what you are saying about the restoration too, normally these cars are pampered to a very high degree and to let it fall to a level whereby it requires a full restoration is beyond me.
The blacked out windows dont worry me too much im sure its an easy fix to return to standard. I know they are all LHD but would prefer an original UK registered car as i understand there was only six sold in the UK sometime ago, my memory tells me there are only 3 or 4 left, i was wondering if this is one of those. Apart from me contacting the owner, was hoping to hear if anyone on here know any history. I agree with what you are saying about the restoration too, normally these cars are pampered to a very high degree and to let it fall to a level whereby it requires a full restoration is beyond me.
phumy said:
Hi rubystone
The blacked out windows dont worry me too much im sure its an easy fix to return to standard. I know they are all LHD but would prefer an original UK registered car as i understand there was only six sold in the UK sometime ago, my memory tells me there are only 3 or 4 left, i was wondering if this is one of those. Apart from me contacting the owner, was hoping to hear if anyone on here know any history. I agree with what you are saying about the restoration too, normally these cars are pampered to a very high degree and to let it fall to a level whereby it requires a full restoration is beyond me.
If Pentoman doesn't find you here - try posting on these two sites:-The blacked out windows dont worry me too much im sure its an easy fix to return to standard. I know they are all LHD but would prefer an original UK registered car as i understand there was only six sold in the UK sometime ago, my memory tells me there are only 3 or 4 left, i was wondering if this is one of those. Apart from me contacting the owner, was hoping to hear if anyone on here know any history. I agree with what you are saying about the restoration too, normally these cars are pampered to a very high degree and to let it fall to a level whereby it requires a full restoration is beyond me.
http://www.mbclub.co.uk/
http://www.mercedes190.co.uk/
Hi Phumy,
I owned a Sport Evolution (otherwise known as an Evo 1) for a few years and have driven and been around quite a few Evo 2's. This one appears to be in my neck of the woods too.
If you need any specific advise drop me a PM be glad to help.
These cars if not stuffed around with are made like Panzer tanks. But there are things that do go wrong with them:
Bosch CIS Injection system (KE3) can be troublesome
The Self levelling suspension and ride height adjustment can fail
They can consume oil. Make sure you get a PPI with a compression test.
It may be one of the 7 UK cars but I doubt it, not sure how you will find out, perhaps call MB UK with the chassis number?
I would be interested in this myself but the mileage is a bit too high for me.
Bear in mind if you buy this, it will either sell like hot cakes or you will have it for a long time trying to get rid. If you are in it for the long run then this is a fabulous car.
Not quite anything else sounds or handles like one, they are fantastic cars.
Cheers,
LL
I owned a Sport Evolution (otherwise known as an Evo 1) for a few years and have driven and been around quite a few Evo 2's. This one appears to be in my neck of the woods too.
If you need any specific advise drop me a PM be glad to help.
These cars if not stuffed around with are made like Panzer tanks. But there are things that do go wrong with them:
Bosch CIS Injection system (KE3) can be troublesome
The Self levelling suspension and ride height adjustment can fail
They can consume oil. Make sure you get a PPI with a compression test.
It may be one of the 7 UK cars but I doubt it, not sure how you will find out, perhaps call MB UK with the chassis number?
I would be interested in this myself but the mileage is a bit too high for me.
Bear in mind if you buy this, it will either sell like hot cakes or you will have it for a long time trying to get rid. If you are in it for the long run then this is a fabulous car.
Not quite anything else sounds or handles like one, they are fantastic cars.
Cheers,
LL
Lagerlout
Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI? I have not heard of that before. Ive also read about the suspension problems that they inherit, from previous threads on here. It would have to be a long term relationship with this car, i used to own a quattro turbo, i managed to keep it for 10 years and turned it into a shrine, almost, then on a whim i sold it and regret it to this day. Im onto 80's style rareties and enjoy tinkering and fettling, so i think this would give me the challenge i need.
I also noticed the splitter missing, i have a relative in the F1 industry and he has told me that nothing is impossible and one could be made for it if i gave the correct dimensions, so thats no problem, theres also a guy on ebay selling one for an EVO I, anyone know if it would fit the EVOII?
Ilovemercs
It does look like its an import, i think i shall email the owner to see what info i can get from him before i embark on a visit
Thanks guys
Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI? I have not heard of that before. Ive also read about the suspension problems that they inherit, from previous threads on here. It would have to be a long term relationship with this car, i used to own a quattro turbo, i managed to keep it for 10 years and turned it into a shrine, almost, then on a whim i sold it and regret it to this day. Im onto 80's style rareties and enjoy tinkering and fettling, so i think this would give me the challenge i need.
I also noticed the splitter missing, i have a relative in the F1 industry and he has told me that nothing is impossible and one could be made for it if i gave the correct dimensions, so thats no problem, theres also a guy on ebay selling one for an EVO I, anyone know if it would fit the EVOII?
Ilovemercs
It does look like its an import, i think i shall email the owner to see what info i can get from him before i embark on a visit
Thanks guys
phumy said:
Lagerlout
Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI?
That's an acronym for an inspection - I'm guessing Pre Purchase Inspeciton is what hte initial stand for. Essentially you find someone who knows these cars - i.e. not the AA or RAC and ask them to check it over. So you need some advice about who to use....and I can't help you with that. Try posting on the other fora I suggested....Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI?
phumy said:
I also noticed the splitter missing, i have a relative in the F1 industry and he has told me that nothing is impossible and one could be made for it if i gave the correct dimensions, so thats no problem, theres also a guy on ebay selling one for an EVO I, anyone know if it would fit the EVOII?
Blacked out windows, missing spoiler, "restored", I wonder what else is wrong with this highly priced car....rubystone said:
phumy said:
Lagerlout
Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI?
That's an acronym for an inspection - I'm guessing Pre Purchase Inspeciton is what hte initial stand for. Essentially you find someone who knows these cars - i.e. not the AA or RAC and ask them to check it over. So you need some advice about who to use....and I can't help you with that. Try posting on the other fora I suggested....Thanks for the info, by the way what is a PPI?
phumy said:
I also noticed the splitter missing, i have a relative in the F1 industry and he has told me that nothing is impossible and one could be made for it if i gave the correct dimensions, so thats no problem, theres also a guy on ebay selling one for an EVO I, anyone know if it would fit the EVOII?
Blacked out windows, missing spoiler, "restored", I wonder what else is wrong with this highly priced car....If that is an imported car, then it is pricy against the ones on sale in Germany, particularly as there seems to be some doubt as to the originality.
Evo 2 engines, BTW, are not the same as Evo 1 or regular 2.5-16s; they have a single cam chain as opposed to a duplex. It's not a huge issue, and can be upgraded anyway, but it's a good litmus test of originality. Engine number wil confirm this with a Merc dealer.
The guy on e-bay selling the Evo 1 front splitter would be of great help in knocking up a replacement part, as he owns an Evo 1 himself and knows his way around these cars.
Evo 2 engines, BTW, are not the same as Evo 1 or regular 2.5-16s; they have a single cam chain as opposed to a duplex. It's not a huge issue, and can be upgraded anyway, but it's a good litmus test of originality. Engine number wil confirm this with a Merc dealer.
The guy on e-bay selling the Evo 1 front splitter would be of great help in knocking up a replacement part, as he owns an Evo 1 himself and knows his way around these cars.
The guy who is selling the EVO I splitter has had his car on ebay on a few occasions, not sure if it went or he still has it, been watching all quarters for these cars but you dont see many around.
Yes i know its expensive for what it is, but i feel it still needs looking at, ive mailed the owner so i shall have to wait to see what comes back.
Yes i know its expensive for what it is, but i feel it still needs looking at, ive mailed the owner so i shall have to wait to see what comes back.
It's a corking car, that; I was amazed when it didn't sell. He lives/works near me and he was good enough to show me over it, even though I wasn't in the market, having just bought two valvers myself.
Whatever needed doing was done. The local Merc. dealers were astonished at his attention to detail. I bet they were relieved he kept it!
Whatever needed doing was done. The local Merc. dealers were astonished at his attention to detail. I bet they were relieved he kept it!
RobertE said:
It's a corking car, that; I was amazed when it didn't sell. He lives/works near me and he was good enough to show me over it, even though I wasn't in the market, having just bought two valvers myself.
Whatever needed doing was done. The local Merc. dealers were astonished at his attention to detail. I bet they were relieved he kept it!
Which car are you talking about, EVO I or II?Whatever needed doing was done. The local Merc. dealers were astonished at his attention to detail. I bet they were relieved he kept it!
FWIW splitter on an Evo 1 is completely different to Evo 2.
Interesting that the car is no longer for sale, I couldn't help thinking the way the ad read seemed a bit dodgy.
If I hear of one for sale I'll PM you Phumy. One of Klaus Ludwig's cars was for sale a few months ago, although I imagine running one of those would get quite pricey! The engines only last a few hundred kilometres.
Interesting that the car is no longer for sale, I couldn't help thinking the way the ad read seemed a bit dodgy.
If I hear of one for sale I'll PM you Phumy. One of Klaus Ludwig's cars was for sale a few months ago, although I imagine running one of those would get quite pricey! The engines only last a few hundred kilometres.
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