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Yep the new shape E55 AMG with its supercharged 5.5 has 470bhp standard (some say its more) and can be easily tuned for more go.
The E63 that replaced it is a little more powerful, but less torquey and less tuneable. Lighter and very high tech engine though.
That's the E-class model, like an E320 or E200 - the one that bigger taxis tend to be!
There's the new CLK 63 AMG - same ~500bhp engine (a bit detuned) in the mid sized CLK coupe.
SL55 AMG - 493bhp cabriolet
SL65 AMG - 600 bhp cabriolet (under 100k?)
That's the big SL folding hard top 2 ton car.
OH I think you should really visit Brabus as well. They have a number of super powerful models and will build you pretty much anything.
For example if you don't want anything so big as the E-class or SL, you can get a little C-class (like the smaller taxis) with a variety of insane engines from them. Mercedes-AMG only do the C55 AMG with a mere 360bhp.
The E63 that replaced it is a little more powerful, but less torquey and less tuneable. Lighter and very high tech engine though.
That's the E-class model, like an E320 or E200 - the one that bigger taxis tend to be!
There's the new CLK 63 AMG - same ~500bhp engine (a bit detuned) in the mid sized CLK coupe.
SL55 AMG - 493bhp cabriolet
SL65 AMG - 600 bhp cabriolet (under 100k?)
That's the big SL folding hard top 2 ton car.
OH I think you should really visit Brabus as well. They have a number of super powerful models and will build you pretty much anything.
For example if you don't want anything so big as the E-class or SL, you can get a little C-class (like the smaller taxis) with a variety of insane engines from them. Mercedes-AMG only do the C55 AMG with a mere 360bhp.
Beemer-5 said:
Wacky Racer said:
Why not just buy a copy of "What car" and "Auto trader"??......
'What Car' often don't show cars no longer sold new and certain low-output models are often ignored.
Anything perhaps a touch more helpful to add WR?
Sorry, wasn't trying to be unhelpful or clever, I just thought you would get the info you were looking for in more detail from these type of publications or even a search on Google, still, maybe this forum will come up with the answers you need....
Beemer-5 said:
I think the criteria is 4 doors definitely, otherwise the smallest and most powerful the money (50-70K) will buy.
Thanx.
Thanx.
The explanations of all the different fast Mercedes models is long winded but I can give you an exhaustive list of all the models and engines (and their bhp) if you wish, just let me know.
Alternatively you could look to Brabus and Kleeman, who are both well known high end tuner/manufacturers, that will do custom cars to almost any desired specification, and sound like they would suit your disposition well.
Perhaps this Brabus CV8 for sale would suit?:
http://80.253.126.57/car_details.asp?
A small C-class with a modified 6.1 426bhp version of Mercedes' (not AMGs) 5.0 V8.
£80,000, 11,000 miles.
Not over 450bhp, but it fits the small 4 door choice very well.
I suspect a 450bhp+ C-class may be rare or impossible for the price, so you may wish to look to the bigger E-class or the prettier CLS-class (based on the E-class but with a 4-door coupe body.
Kleeman do similar cars.
www.kleemannuk.com
Kleeman E-class:
www.kleemannuk.com/models/eclassw211.htm
Kleeman CLS-class:
www.kleemannuk.com/models/eclassw211.htm
Kleeman will build many different specifications, up to 610bhp in the above models, which I'm sure will do well over 200mph if allowed.
However Brabus are the more well known Mercedes tuner. They are recognized as a manufacturer in their own right, and rumour has it a number of senior Mercedes figures drive Brabus cars.
I live a mile from County Cheltenham, the appointed Brabus dealer in the South West (www.countycheltenham.co.uk/showroom/brabus.html). I visit often but have actually never yet seen a Brabus car there.
If you want me to investigate/photograph/pick up and deliver a car, I would be more than happy to!
regards
Russell
Wacky Racer said:
Beemer-5 said:
Wacky Racer said:
Why not just buy a copy of "What car" and "Auto trader"??......
'What Car' often don't show cars no longer sold new and certain low-output models are often ignored.
Anything perhaps a touch more helpful to add WR?
Sorry, wasn't trying to be unhelpful or clever, I just thought you would get the info you were looking for in more detail from these type of publications or even a search on Google, still, maybe this forum will come up with the answers you need....
Thanx, hope so.
Pentoman, thanks for your help so far.
I have had another word with the potential buyer.
OK, to reduce the field to a just a few possibilities, let's rule out any really big cars altogether. 'Tanks' are out then.
The ideal car is the smallest class Merc out there, but which still comes with a V12 or V8 engine, preferably charged in some way and preferably in excess of 500 bhp, or if not, very close to 500 bhp.
£80K used is the budget, cannot go above. At least not now.
(£80K might buy something really powerful if he waits for prices to soften on some models perhaps?)
Cars which fall into this category now are great.
Or in 6 months time are fine, as he wants a car for when he returns from the USA on business, in March.
I have had another word with the potential buyer.
OK, to reduce the field to a just a few possibilities, let's rule out any really big cars altogether. 'Tanks' are out then.
The ideal car is the smallest class Merc out there, but which still comes with a V12 or V8 engine, preferably charged in some way and preferably in excess of 500 bhp, or if not, very close to 500 bhp.
£80K used is the budget, cannot go above. At least not now.
(£80K might buy something really powerful if he waits for prices to soften on some models perhaps?)
Cars which fall into this category now are great.
Or in 6 months time are fine, as he wants a car for when he returns from the USA on business, in March.
There really is a wealth of models available. The best bhp/money ratio is the standard Mercedes/AMG offerings.
Current E55 AMG or CLS55 AMG - with 470+bhp supercharged 5.5 V8 - seems a good bet. Only £65k or so new, and plenty of tuning options available for 500bhp plus that could be done with the rest of the money. These models are now being replaced with the updated 63 AMG V8 which is not supercharged, and is less torquey but more powerful at 508bhp. It would be less tuneable though.
Or there's the S-class which is a bigger car than either of these. From circa 2002(?) the S55 AMG features the same supercharged 5.5 V8, but in a bigger body so is probably pointless in this instance. However, again from abround 2002 they do an S600 with a 500bhp twin turbo V12. This has extra kudos due to the V12 and is a little more refined. After that is the S65 AMG with 612bhp version of the twin turbo V12. This may be available for under £80k used. However you should note that these are all based on the S-class which has been replaced a few months ago with an entirely new model. Your client may not want to have an old model. The new model features similar engines but I'm not sure on the prices or if they are available yet. I imagine in a few months you may be able to get a new model S600 with the V12 twin turbo for under £80k.
If you're wishing to deliver something special then one of these factory cars may not do, or may be a bit common. Brabus and Kleeman versions are ultimate "bespoke" versions of Mercedes, for cognesciete. They are very expensive new but you can find old versions for sale. Perhaps speak to them and see what the can offer you.
A 7.3 580bhp "Brabus SV12" S-class was mentioned on here for £25,000 just recently. It was quite an old mid-90s model though. But if you're prepared to go to the older Mercedes models you could get more bhp per pound.
Current E55 AMG or CLS55 AMG - with 470+bhp supercharged 5.5 V8 - seems a good bet. Only £65k or so new, and plenty of tuning options available for 500bhp plus that could be done with the rest of the money. These models are now being replaced with the updated 63 AMG V8 which is not supercharged, and is less torquey but more powerful at 508bhp. It would be less tuneable though.
Or there's the S-class which is a bigger car than either of these. From circa 2002(?) the S55 AMG features the same supercharged 5.5 V8, but in a bigger body so is probably pointless in this instance. However, again from abround 2002 they do an S600 with a 500bhp twin turbo V12. This has extra kudos due to the V12 and is a little more refined. After that is the S65 AMG with 612bhp version of the twin turbo V12. This may be available for under £80k used. However you should note that these are all based on the S-class which has been replaced a few months ago with an entirely new model. Your client may not want to have an old model. The new model features similar engines but I'm not sure on the prices or if they are available yet. I imagine in a few months you may be able to get a new model S600 with the V12 twin turbo for under £80k.
If you're wishing to deliver something special then one of these factory cars may not do, or may be a bit common. Brabus and Kleeman versions are ultimate "bespoke" versions of Mercedes, for cognesciete. They are very expensive new but you can find old versions for sale. Perhaps speak to them and see what the can offer you.
A 7.3 580bhp "Brabus SV12" S-class was mentioned on here for £25,000 just recently. It was quite an old mid-90s model though. But if you're prepared to go to the older Mercedes models you could get more bhp per pound.
makes sense, given that the brabus e v12 costs circa 200k and comes with 640bhp / 757lb ft of torque. Kleemann can mod the V8 kompressor to 640hp / 731 lb ft of torque & for way less money.
If it where me, i would pick up the E class AMG.
Edited by benzo on Tuesday 24th October 01:41
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