RE: Mercedes launches new CL coupé

RE: Mercedes launches new CL coupé

Monday 26th June 2006

Mercedes launches new CL coupé

More technology, more power, more weight...


2006 Mercedes CL-class coupé
2006 Mercedes CL-class coupé
Mercedes is to launch the new version of the upmarket CL-class coupé in autumn 2006, with cars due to arrive in the UK in spring 2007.

It will be, burbles the Mercedes press release, "the culmination of a Mercedes-Benz coupé tradition going back over 50 years. The two-door model combines peerless exclusivity and charismatic design with the sort of cutting-edge technology that no other manufacturer can match worldwide."

It includes all the technology Mercedes can deploy these days, much of it first seen in the S-class, including its Active Body Control (ABC) suspension system, the automatic light system including corner illumination, and anticipatory occupant protection as standard, such as the brakes that activate automatically before an imminent rear-end collision. There's also the now established systems such as park assist and night view assist with infra-red headlamps.

Two engines are available, a V8 and a V12. The V8 powerplant in the CL 500 delivers 388bhp and generates a maximum torque of 391lb-ft from 2,800 rpm, outperforming the existing V8 unit by 26 per cent in terms of output and 15 per cent when it comes to torque. It's equipped with four-valve technology, variably adjustable shifting camshafts, a two-stage intake module and tumble flaps in the intake ducts. The CL 500 accelerates from zero to 62.5 mph in a creditable 5.4 seconds, 0.9 seconds faster than the outgoing model.

The biturbo V12 under the bonnet of the new CL 600 generates 17bhp more, with output now 517bhp and maximum torque on tap is up 22lb-ft to a stonking 612lb-ft from 1,900 rpm up to 3,500 rpm. The new CL 600 accelerates from 0 to 62.5 mph in 4.6 seconds (previous model: 4.8 seconds). Despite the performance boost, the V12 engine is claimed to be 0.6 mpg more efficient than the outgoing model.

Mercedes-Benz has combined the standard-fit automatic transmission with the new direct select gearshift: the driver can select the transmission settings "P", "N", "R" and "D" by nudging a lever on the steering column. Operating commands are transmitted electronically by wire.

It weighs 2,185Kg, some 200Kg more than the current model.

Interior

Mercedes aims for a club atmosphere. Five colour combinations are available; automatic climate control, the COMAND system with car radio, a CD/DVD player and a glass sunroof are standard.

In the top-of-the-line CL 600, the cabin is trimmed with leather, poplar and an Alcantara roof liner with quilted seams. The standard specification includes dynamic multi-contour seats with a massage function and seat ventilation, the hard-disc navigation system COMAND APS, the LOGIC7 surround sound system with DVD changer and the keyless access and drive authorisation system.

The car's bigger than its predecessor: 75 mm longer, 14 mm wider and 20 mm higher and boot capacity grows by 40 litres to 490 litres.

It also looks different. For the rivet counters, the exterior gets the hallmark Mercedes radiator grille with wide chrome louvers, fully retractable side windows, a panoramic rear window, and the new headlight cluster shape.

Want one? Mercedes hasn't confirmed UK prices and specs yet but the outgoing model starts at £73,700 for the CL500 and continues on up to an eye-watering £98,795 for the CL55 AMG. That's before options...

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havoc

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30,897 posts

242 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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2.2tons!!!

No wonder it's got a V12...although it has to be said, having seen X-Men 3 at the weekend, I'm having visions of Juggernaut - 'nothing can stop it when it gets up some momentum'!!!

adycav

7,615 posts

224 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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It looks like a metallic whale.

fatboy b

9,576 posts

223 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Top Trump

1,588 posts

228 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Yawn... are Mecedes only capable of putting huge engines into ever bigger and heavier cars?

No finesse.





Andrew D

968 posts

247 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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The Article said:
with the sort of cutting-edge technology that no other manufacturer can match worldwide
What? 120bhp per litre NA in the Honda S2000? That kind of technology? Ooops! A little bit conceited from Merc there!

And I'm not sure about this cutting edge gear selection method; sounds awfully like a yank-tank column shift to me!

iain_cam

689 posts

237 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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adycav said:
It looks like a metallic whale.


My thoughts exactly - the last was no beauty, but this is even worse. At 2.2 tons it really is a metallic whale!

cyrus1971

855 posts

246 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Andrew D said:
The Article said:
with the sort of cutting-edge technology that no other manufacturer can match worldwide
What? 120bhp per litre NA in the Honda S2000? That kind of technology? Ooops! A little bit conceited from Merc there!



Yes shocking power output : a 5L V8 should be closer to 450bhp as a minimum.

Andrew D

968 posts

247 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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cyrus1971 said:
Yes shocking power output : a 5L V8 should be closer to 450bhp as a minimum.
Well I suppose it depends how much you want the car to cost, and how much you want to spend on servicing and fuel. So yeah, for £70k+ I'd expect a lot better!

I suppose it's typical of Merc's slackness in developing engines, compared to Porsche and BMW they're seriously behind.

mackie1

8,165 posts

240 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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cyrus1971 said:


Yes shocking power output : a 5L V8 should be closer to 450bhp as a minimum.



Totally shocking indeed, I mean BMW do so much better with their 4.8l with 360-odd bhp and Porsche with their 340bhp 4.5, utterly terrible. I bet the new AMG 6.3 unit really sucks with it's 7000rpm redline and 500bhp.

porker_nut

80 posts

226 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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havoc said:
2.2tons!!! No wonder it's got a V12...although it has to be said, having seen X-Men 3 at the weekend, I'm having visions of Juggernaut - 'nothing can stop it when it gets up some momentum'!!!


I'd rather have Cayenne Turbo - technically superior in every way..oh and its cheaper! or wait for the Panamera..

Andrew D

968 posts

247 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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mackie1 said:
I bet the new AMG 6.3 unit really sucks with it's 7000rpm redline and 500bhp.
AMG 6.3 V8 500bhp = 79bhp/Litre
M 5.0 V10 507bhp (M5) = 101bhp/Litre (28% higher than Merc)
Porsche 5.7 V10 612bhp (Carrera GT) = 107bhp/Litre (35% higher)

The example that you should have chosen is the AMG 3.2 Kompressor with 353bhp, but then that's forced induction and opens the door for comparisons such as:-

Porsche 996 GT2 3.6 Flat6 475bhp = 132bhp/Litre

r988

7,495 posts

236 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Andrew D said:
The Article said:
with the sort of cutting-edge technology that no other manufacturer can match worldwide
What? 120bhp per litre NA in the Honda S2000? That kind of technology? Ooops! A little bit conceited from Merc there!

And I'm not sure about this cutting edge gear selection method; sounds awfully like a yank-tank column shift to me!


That's exactly what I thought

qube_TA

8,405 posts

252 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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when is HP/Ltr ever important?

A higher RPM produces more HP but less torque, for a heavy car you'd want torque.

Can't have a luxury car that isn't heavy.

Matthew

havoc

Original Poster:

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Monday 26th June 2006
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qube_TA said:
when is HP/Ltr ever important?

A higher RPM produces more HP but less torque, for a heavy car you'd want torque.

Not true. It produces PROPORTIONATELY less torque, but absolute peak torque is usually the same or greater, for a given capacity, from a performance engine as from a cheap engine like the old Merc V8.


Edit: Just seen Dinkel's pictures. God is that boring. It looks like an amalgam of the new S-class, old CL, and current CLK. Not an original design feature on the whole car, looks like the design team finished it in a week and spent the next two years playing PGR online.

Edited by havoc on Monday 26th June 15:50

Andrew D

968 posts

247 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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qube_TA said:
when is HP/Ltr ever important?

A higher RPM produces more HP but less torque, for a heavy car you'd want torque.
High HP/Litre bascially means that you're not lugging around a big cylinder block when you don't have to.

An engine that revs high allows you to put shorter gearing on the car, so the torque transmitted to the wheel remains the same. And the peak torque figures often quoted are misleading, as it's the spread of torque that's important.

"Power" means the effect of how hard the engine is turning multiplied by how quickly it is turning. Imagine two treadmills, one has a Cheetah running really quickly on it, the other a Grizzly Bear ploding along. Which would be harder to stop turning? The Grizzly is heavy, but the Cheetah is fast. Thats the high-revver (high specific output) versus big capacity (big peak torque) concept in a nutshell.

dinkel

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265 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Cheetah for me then . . .

Edited by dinkel on Monday 26th June 15:57

sidesauce

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225 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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I don't care what any of you lot think - I like it!!!!

Richards 7

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Monday 26th June 2006
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Jaguar and Audi are going Aluminium with reductions in Kerbweight, which in turn gives proportionalty better performance (Colin Chapman would love this !!!) Merc just going the opposite way which in my opinion is the wrong way. By the way it looks ugly to me too ! BMW sharing designers??

mackie1

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240 months

Monday 26th June 2006
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Ok then, so the BMW V10 is significantly lighter than the new AMG V8 is it?

The new 388bhp Merc V8 is heavier and somehow worse than the equivalent and less powerful BMW unit? I just don't see how you can say Merc's engines are poor, pretty much all their current engines are at least a match for their rivals.