RE: Merc brake test was a sham

RE: Merc brake test was a sham

Wednesday 30th November 2005

Merc brake test was a sham

TV test cock-up results in sackings


Don't try this at home
Don't try this at home
Mercedes' much-publicised failed brake test, where range-topping S Class cars piled up as German TV cameras filmed the event, was a fake. There's big embarrassment at Mercedes, and at least one person involved has been fired as a direct result.

We ran the story a couple of weeks ago and reported that: "Mercedes brought three of its range-topping cars for a demonstration of its safety radar, which is designed to ensure that, when the car in front brakes hard, so does yours. You won't rear-end anyone, is the claim.

"Sadly, that's exactly what happened. The £50,000+ cars crashed into each other when Mercedes put the three cars in line astern and got the first to brake heavily. The two behind didn't stop, with obvious results." The cars were driven by a journalist from German motoring publication AutoBild.

It turns out the whole event was a fake, information that's been revealed as a result of an audio tape recorded by the journalist involved, Michael Specht, who conducted the test on Stern TV. The tape shows that the shunt was in fact an accident, but not the accident that was planned to happen.

Early reports that the system won't work in a steel hall are correct. Mercedes knew that before it ran the tests and decided to fake it: Specht would brake manually. They placed a plank of wood along the run so Stern would know when to brake. But the S Class's suspension foiled the plan as Specht could not feel the car run over it, was unsighted by the smoke emulating fog, and didn't brake in time -- right in front of the rolling cameras of Stern TV, who didn't know about the plan.

Specht has since been fired, while several Mercedes engineers could suffer a similar fate, according to one report.

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dakkon

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7,826 posts

260 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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I find all of this really quite amusing to be honest.

dezza87

971 posts

228 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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bit harsh for him to get fired though

_dobbo_

14,617 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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dezza87 said:
bit harsh for him to get fired though


Not sure i agree - if he's a journo then he is supposed to be impartial. Frigging tests for a company to make them look good doesn't really strike me as the bastion of journalistic integrity.

peter450

1,650 posts

240 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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very harsh he's just the driver if they stick a small plank of wood that he cant feel of course hes not going to brake in time, the person who should be getting the sack is the idiot who organsised it all, if its doesnt work inside then do it outside ffs hardly rocket science rather than plan some eleborate hoax of the real thing might work??? but as the incompetent moron involved is probably the boss he'l just sack everyone else driver, engineers etc
This shows mercedes in a poor light not just there cynical ploy but the way there now firing all the people on the ground rather than those that actually made these stupid descisions no wonder the companys doing so crap with managment like that, sorry but they derseved to be made to look stupid my only sympathy is with the scapgoats made to carry the can

steve-p

1,448 posts

289 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Your story says:

"Mercedes knew that before it ran the tests and decided to fake it."

The original story says:

"Mercedes engineers knew the radar technology wouldn't work in the steel warehouse the demo was supposed to take place in, but they were bullied into 'simulating' the test by AutoBild journalist, Michael Specht, according to reports."

Two completely different interpretations. Yours was apparently written without any insight except that gained from reading the original report on The Register. Even then, you still managed to twist the words to give them a different meaning. Don't let the facts get in the way, eh? I hear The Sun might be hiring.

Graham

16,369 posts

291 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Is it just me or are merc a bit arse and Elbow at the moment. rigging tests and failing, the worst customer support this side of ebay and poor build quality....

bor

4,839 posts

262 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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I watched this TV broadcast at the time. I was agog.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=222491

manek

2,977 posts

291 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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steve-p said:
Your story says:

"Mercedes knew that before it ran the tests and decided to fake it."

The original story says:

"Mercedes engineers knew the radar technology wouldn't work in the steel warehouse the demo was supposed to take place in, but they were bullied into 'simulating' the test by AutoBild journalist, Michael Specht, according to reports."

Two completely different interpretations. Yours was apparently written without any insight except that gained from reading the original report on The Register. Even then, you still managed to twist the words to give them a different meaning. Don't let the facts get in the way, eh? I hear The Sun might be hiring.

Mercedes didn't have to say yes, It was their decision to fake it, not Specht's.

>> Edited by manek on Wednesday 30th November 16:19

vixpy1

42,674 posts

271 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Oh dear.. Thats another fine mess you've got us into Stanley.

Adam B

27,951 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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peter450 said:
very harsh he's just the driver


no he wasn't - he was also a journalist he should not be taking part in a con

hbaumhardt

950 posts

286 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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I beleve that Stern is sort-of the German equivalent of our News of the World or the US National Enquirer, so unsurprised that journalistic integrity doesnt get in the way of a good storey (and exposing Merc was probably part of the plan).

bor

4,839 posts

262 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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That's a bit unfair, I think. I don't pay much attention to TV normally, but Stern is more like a "watchdog" type programme. Believe me, all they did was roll the TV cameras and Mercedes and the journalist screwed themselves. It was incredibly inept.

pasthim

15,985 posts

241 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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So you develop ground breaking (sic) anti-crash technology and showcase it somewhere you know it won't work, using three of your most expensive cars and let the cameras film it. If I ran Mercedes I would have sacked the management involved instantly. This is hugely embarrassing for them and a huge error of judgement. Someone at Merc was repsonsible for overseeing that and letting it happen. Stunning.

drcarrera

792 posts

232 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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pasthim said:
So you develop ground breaking (sic) anti-crash technology and showcase it somewhere you know it won't work, using three of your most expensive cars and let the cameras film it. If I ran Mercedes I would have sacked the management involved instantly. This is hugely embarrassing for them and a huge error of judgement. Someone at Merc was repsonsible for overseeing that and letting it happen. Stunning.


Agreed!
Even if the "crash" hadn't happened, there's still a chanced it may have leaked out that the test was faked, and that would have proved embarrassing anyway.
Presumably there's a warning in the driver's handbook on these cars that says the system can't be relied on on all circumstances ...

anonymous-user

61 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Schadenfreude!

motormonk

177 posts

235 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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sharm said:
Schadenfreude!


Never have so few caused so much laughter to so many.

rowland

24 posts

267 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Thank God there wasn't an Elk in the fog, or there'd have been an "elk of mess"

petea

2,706 posts

241 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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drcarrera said:
pasthim said:
So you develop ground breaking (sic) anti-crash technology and showcase it somewhere you know it won't work, using three of your most expensive cars and let the cameras film it. If I ran Mercedes I would have sacked the management involved instantly. This is hugely embarrassing for them and a huge error of judgement. Someone at Merc was repsonsible for overseeing that and letting it happen. Stunning.


Agreed!
Even if the "crash" hadn't happened, there's still a chanced it may have leaked out that the test was faked, and that would have proved embarrassing anyway.
Presumably there's a warning in the driver's handbook on these cars that says the system can't be relied on on all circumstances ...


Ground braking technology?

The system is affected by surrounding steel structures?

So what happens when you drive over a steel constructed bridge or into a tunnel? Not so bad if the system doesn't brake as you should take over but what if the system gets confused and brakes for no reason? No doubt this is impossible.....

loose cannon

6,039 posts

248 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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one of many failures like the lovely sensotronic brake control

cdp

7,541 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Also imagine Mr. Numptie using the system and relying on it everyday for a decade. Then he climbs into a normal car.....