R172 SLK 55 AMG

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Ikemi

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210 months

Saturday 25th September 2021
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My original plan was to upgrade to a Vantage Roadster, R8 convertible or a GranCabrio; essentially a convertible with a beautiful sounding V8 engine. The majority of these cars are not known for their reliability, can be expensive to maintain and current second hand prices are really strong. A mate, who used to work for Mercedes, suggested an R172 SLK 55 AMG. I must admit, I'm intrigued! A couple of questions though ...

1. What are the 'must-haves' in terms of specification? I'm guessing 'air scarf' is a common answer! Anything else? Are certain colours terrible for resale e.g. black?

2. I hear (pun intended) the R172 is fairly quiet as standard. I've read that an X Pipe combined with removing the secondary cats is quite popular. Is this a good upgrade path? How much roughly for an X Pipe and secondary cat replacements? Does it need a tune/replacement sensors to prevent error codes?

3. I have found a car that might be perfect! It's black, which isn't my first choice. I'd rather white. However I do think black on the R172 will grow on me. The car I've found benefits from the P30 performance pack, with upgraded brakes, suspension, steering wheel and a LSD. Is the P30 upgrade rare/worth it? Possibly worth getting a car in black, just for the pack?

Thanks! smile

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th September 2021
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Yes, the P30 performance pack is worth it, I look at it if it has them, its rare on a R172 SLK 55, the R172 SLK 55 is also rare...

they are already going up in prices...

I'm self looking at a lot facelift R171 SLK 55, which are also pretty rare, and still trying to like the R172 55, because of the more hp and you can get even more out of those, without going to a supercharger.


clarki

1,323 posts

224 months

Tuesday 28th September 2021
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I've had mine for 6 years now - love it and no idea what I'd replace it with. It'll probably stay forever and ever now.

I guess colour is a personal thing, but black's not for me tbh. The performance pack would be nice but not essential, you can get the bits but all you probably want is the LSD, thinking of going down the quaife route myself.

Plenty loud enough for me but maybe i'm getting old now!!

This may give an insight;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ffvyvmwqN8

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th September 2021
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clarki said:
I've had mine for 6 years now - love it and no idea what I'd replace it with. It'll probably stay forever and ever now.

I guess colour is a personal thing, but black's not for me tbh. The performance pack would be nice but not essential, you can get the bits but all you probably want is the LSD, thinking of going down the quaife route myself.

Plenty loud enough for me but maybe i'm getting old now!!

This may give an insight;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ffvyvmwqN8
I then would choose Wavetrac, it seems a better system then quaife, it can also handle one wheel in the air and more so it seems.

ah, I save'd this info and read some about it from owners.

wavetrac said:
Wavetrac Differential Mercedes Benz AMG SLK55 R171 LSD
Application:Mercedes Benz AMG SLK55 R171

PART #: 48.309.185WK

Innovative:
Patent pending Wavetrac® design automatically improves grip in low traction conditions. This feature is truly innovative and unlike any other torque biasing diff design.

Superior Materials:
9310 steel gears run in case-hardened billet steel bodies. ARP® fasteners used throughout.

Maintenance Free:
As supplied new, the Wavetrac® differential will perform a lifetime of service without maintenance or rebuilds.

Customizable:
If desired, you can alter the diff’s behavior to suit your needs using optional components.

Limited LIFETIME Warranty:
All Wavetrac® differentials include a transferable, Limited Lifetime Warranty.

To best understand how the Wavetrac® is truly different from the other gear differentials on the market, you first have to understand the primary problem that the Wavetrac® solves.

The problem: Loss of drive during zero or near-zero axle-load conditions.

Zero axle-load is a condition that occurs during normal driving, but creates the most noticeable problems when driving in extreme conditions. Zero or near-zero axle-load is the condition that exists when there is ‘no-load’ applied through the drivetrain, when one drive wheel is nearly or completely lifted (often in aggressive cornering). It also occurs during the transition from engine driving a vehicle to engine braking and back, even with both drive wheels firmly on the ground.

Here’s how that loss of drive hurts you:
1) If you lift a wheel, all gear diffs except Wavetrac®, will NOT power the other wheel.
2) During the transition from accel to decel, all gear diffs except Wavetrac®, do nothing.

Why does this happen?

All gear LSDs (including Torsen®, Truetrac®, Quaife®, Peloquin, OBX, etc.) work in basically the same manner: they divide the drive torque between the two axles, applying drive to each side, up to the available grip of each tire. The amount of drive torque one wheel can get over the other is described as the bias ratio, a measure of the torque split across the axle.

Standard, open differentials have a bias ratio of 1:1. They can only apply as much drive torque as there is available traction at one wheel. When one wheel loses grip, the total available drive is lost as well (at a 1:1 ratio). All your power goes out the slipping wheel - along the path of least resistance.

Torque biasing differentials offer increased bias ratios over open differentials. For example, if a diff has a bias ratio of 2.5:1, then it can apply drive torque to the wheel with the most traction (gripping wheel) at 2.5 times the traction limit of the wheel with the least traction (slipping wheel). This is a significant improvement over an open diff… most of the time.

The problem is that when one tire has LITTLE or NO grip (zero axle-load), the other wheel gets ZERO DRIVE, because (basic math here): 2.5 x 0 = 0.

Lift a wheel (or substantially unload a wheel) and you get zero axle-load on that side - that means that during the time the wheel is unloaded, the typical diff will NOT power the wheel that’s still on the ground. No matter how high the bias ratio, you get no power to the ground.

During the transition from accel to decel, where you have near zero torque on the axle, even if the wheels are on the ground, the typical diff is unable to begin applying drive torque until AFTER the zero torque condition is over. While this condition is generally short-lived, the fact that most diffs can do nothing during that time means that there will be a delay once the zero torque condition stops - creating a reaction time in the driveline.

The Wavetrac®, however, is different:



The innovative, patent-pending, Wavetrac® device in the center of the diff responds during these exact conditions when zero or near-zero axle-load occurs. At or near zero axle-load, the axles (and therefore each side gear in the diff) start to turn at different speeds.

This speed differential causes the Wavetrac® device to step into action:



Precisely engineered wave profiles are placed on one side gear and its mating preload hub. As the two side gears rotate relative to each other, each wave surface climbs the other, causing them to move apart.

Very quickly, this creates enough internal load within the Wavetrac® to STOP the zero axle-load condition.

The zero axle-load condition is halted, and the drive torque is applied to the wheel on the ground (the gripping wheel)… keeping the power down.

Some gear differentials rely solely on preload springs to combat loss of drive. The drawback is that you can’t add enough preload to prevent loss of drive without creating tremendous handling and wear problems at the same time. So, to avoid these problems, the preload from ordinary spring packs must be reduced to a level that renders them ineffective at preventing loss of drive. The Wavetrac® is the only differential that can automatically add more load internally when it’s required.

In the case where both wheels are on the ground during zero axle load, such as during a transition to deceleration, the Wavetrac® device is able to prepare the drivetrain for when the zero torque condition stops, eliminating the delay seen with ordinary gear diffs.

What this means for you as a driver is that power is delivered to the gripping wheels for more time and in a more constant manner – making you faster and improving stability.

The Wavetrac® truly is different - and its innovative features can make a real difference in your car’s performance.

Here’s something else you won’t find in any other design:



The Wavetrac® diff’s behavior can be altered in the field to suit your needs. It comes standard with carbon-fiber bias plates for the best all around performance and lifetime durability. Changeable plates using materials with different friction coefficients to fine-tune the bias ratio are sold separately.

These bias plates provide a mechanism to tune the response of the differential as a function of applied torque load. The applied torque load manifests itself as an axial load from the differential pinions into the housing. This axial force is then considered a normal force into the bias plate, and as a function of the effective coefficient of friction, provide a resistive torque to the rotational motion of the differential pinions. The resistive torque will add to the resistance of relative rotation of all components within the differential. The resistive force, however, is non-uniform since it is a function of the axial load from the differential pinions. The unbalance of the resistive torque will manifest as non-uniform energy absorption within the differential causing a bias ratio.

Here are more features that make Wavetrac® even better:

The new Wavetrac® Differential brings current gear technology to the market.
Internally, its gear tooth forms are optimized for strength and improved oil film retention over competitive designs.
Our gear package is smaller, reducing overall mass, yet is more durable since particular attention was paid to the tooth strength - optimized for high torque conditions.
Attention was also paid to the side gear/axle interface, putting as much material thickness as possible in this critical area - most important when power levels get high.

Each Wavetrac® Differential is crafted from the highest quality materials available.
The internal gears are made from high strength 9310 alloy steel.
The diff bodies are machined from case-hardened steel billet.
To complete the package, every Wavetrac® differential is built exclusively using high quality, high strength fasteners from ARP®, the world leader in fastener technology.

clarki

1,323 posts

224 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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GTRene said:
I then would choose Wavetrac, it seems a better system then quaife, it can also handle one wheel in the air and more so it seems.

ah, I save'd this info and read some about it from owners.
That's for an R171, not sure they do the R172.

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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clarki said:
GTRene said:
I then would choose Wavetrac, it seems a better system then quaife, it can also handle one wheel in the air and more so it seems.

ah, I save'd this info and read some about it from owners.
That's for an R171, not sure they do the R172.
good point, I thought they would do those as well, but its not on their list...hm

maybe those R172 slk 55 uses a special diff, slk 55 R172 only? they did not make many R172 amg, maybe thats why its not in their program (yet)

Ikemi

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8,474 posts

210 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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Well, I've bought it! hehe

It's a really good spec, P30 pack aside. Airscarf with heated seats, electrically adjustable with memory function, memory package, mirror package, Parktronic front and rear, interior light and ambient light packages, panoramic vario-roof, bi-xenon adaptive headlights, IWC clock, DAB ... and a few other bits and pieces. I'm fairly excited! It's being delivered late next week.

I've contacted Infinity Exhausts near Bristol with regards to an x-pipe/secondary cat deletes. Does anyone know of a reputable exhaust specialist/modifier in Bucks/Berks area?

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Friday 1st October 2021
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congratulations, when you get it, you are aloud to post some pictures cool

Craig

1,181 posts

289 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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Ikemi said:
Well, I've bought it! hehe

It's a really good spec, P30 pack aside. Airscarf with heated seats, electrically adjustable with memory function, memory package, mirror package, Parktronic front and rear, interior light and ambient light packages, panoramic vario-roof, bi-xenon adaptive headlights, IWC clock, DAB ... and a few other bits and pieces. I'm fairly excited! It's being delivered late next week.

I've contacted Infinity Exhausts near Bristol with regards to an x-pipe/secondary cat deletes. Does anyone know of a reputable exhaust specialist/modifier in Bucks/Berks area?
I used Infinity Exhausts to do mine - think it was around £350. They do it while you wait and the quality of their work is excellent so I wouldn’t bother going elsewhere (I drove from Reading).

Note the the exhaust is different from the R171 in that the secondary cats are not located in the same place so you won’t be getting them deleted. The X pipe replaces the centre silencer and the small rear silencers. Unfortunately for me it didn’t transform the noise in the same way as a R171 (my brother has one) and the sound is quite raspy albeit better than standard. You can blame the fact the exhaust needs to sound ok when running on 4 cylinders as well as 8 on the R172.

Good luck with the car

Ikemi

Original Poster:

8,474 posts

210 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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GTRene said:
congratulations, when you get it, you are aloud to post some pictures cool
Absolutely! Will do! smile

Craig said:
Ikemi said:
Well, I've bought it! hehe

It's a really good spec, P30 pack aside. Airscarf with heated seats, electrically adjustable with memory function, memory package, mirror package, Parktronic front and rear, interior light and ambient light packages, panoramic vario-roof, bi-xenon adaptive headlights, IWC clock, DAB ... and a few other bits and pieces. I'm fairly excited! It's being delivered late next week.

I've contacted Infinity Exhausts near Bristol with regards to an x-pipe/secondary cat deletes. Does anyone know of a reputable exhaust specialist/modifier in Bucks/Berks area?
I used Infinity Exhausts to do mine - think it was around £350. They do it while you wait and the quality of their work is excellent so I wouldn’t bother going elsewhere (I drove from Reading).

Note the the exhaust is different from the R171 in that the secondary cats are not located in the same place so you won’t be getting them deleted. The X pipe replaces the centre silencer and the small rear silencers. Unfortunately for me it didn’t transform the noise in the same way as a R171 (my brother has one) and the sound is quite raspy albeit better than standard. You can blame the fact the exhaust needs to sound ok when running on 4 cylinders as well as 8 on the R172.

Good luck with the car
Thanks for the information! Much appreciated! Do you think it was worth the £350? Did it improve the overall sound/loudness of that Mercedes V8? I noticed that you've sold your SLK55 and have a 981 Boxster S - another car I was considering! How do they compare and which do you prefer? smile

Craig

1,181 posts

289 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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Yes I think it's worth the £350 as there's no real downside and it does make it louder but only when pushing on. Although I was disappointed with the noise it was the harsh ride that led to me selling. Sorry this all sounds pretty negative and there's plenty of happy owners of them so it's a personal thing.

I personally much prefer the Boxster. The ride quality is far superior, as is the PDK gearbox and general handling. If I were to get an SLK55 it would be the R171 as better looking and better noise albeit worse interior than R172.


clarki

1,323 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Craig said:
Yes I think it's worth the £350 as there's no real downside and it does make it louder but only when pushing on. Although I was disappointed with the noise it was the harsh ride that led to me selling. Sorry this all sounds pretty negative and there's plenty of happy owners of them so it's a personal thing.

I personally much prefer the Boxster. The ride quality is far superior, as is the PDK gearbox and general handling. If I were to get an SLK55 it would be the R171 as better looking and better noise albeit worse interior than R172.
It is strange, no change that, interesting, how people prefer different cars. It's great. Guess that's why we're here.

I went the other way 981S to SLK55 and agree with you, the Porsche is a far better car, but it just didn't do anything for me. Brilliant but not special (and not particularly quick, too little torque). I get out of the merc laughing my head off at how mad it is. In this day and age it's a fairly terrible car, but as an event it's magnificent.

All IMO of course and every journalist will tell you i'm completely wrong!!

Ikemi

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8,474 posts

210 months

Monday 11th October 2021
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Some pictures! I haven't taken any nice photos yet - I've mainly been driving it! That said, the fuel cap states this car needs 98RON and it seems super unleaded is in short supply in this part of the South East.













It turns out the car also comes with the SmartTop module allowing for remote roof down/roof up operations, and cruise control/speed limited functions! smile

In comparison to the F-Type V6S I owned beforehand, the SLK55 is faster, better constructed and handles/brakes better! The V8 noise is lovely, but it is somewhat muted unless you're flat out. I'm just wondering whether to opt for an x-pipe, exhaust valve simulators (to keep the valves open all of the time), or the combination of both?

The roof needs some gummi pflege applying to the rubber seals, the aluminium centre console is a bit squeaky (needs removing, refitting) and the rear tyres are almost at the limit. Michelin PS4 tyres are the obvious choice, but how do the Yokohama Advan Fleva V701 or Eagle F1 tyres compare? Probably better than P Zeros?!

It's a hilarious car to drive though!

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Monday 11th October 2021
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nice, maybe to get more sound, and saving a bit weight, you could take some sound material out at some specific places? no idea if thats a possibility or easy...

Some say, lovely cars, big fun, but not a sport car ride (at least you hear some people say such about the R171 slk 55 and I guess the R172 is almost the same-ish car sort)

I was wondering if you give such car poly bushings all round, could also make it a sportier ride, no idea what is possible with such cars to make it more like a go kart/sport... you can't find much around such.

Ari

19,475 posts

220 months

Monday 11th October 2021
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clarki said:
I went the other way 981S to SLK55 and agree with you, the Porsche is a far better car, but it just didn't do anything for me. Brilliant but not special (and not particularly quick, too little torque). I get out of the merc laughing my head off at how mad it is. In this day and age it's a fairly terrible car, but as an event it's magnificent.

All IMO of course and every journalist will tell you i'm completely wrong!!
Jeremy Clarkson won't. He did the Boxster vs SLK AMG thing on Top Gear (the army sniper one) and preferred the SLK. In fact he bought one!

Holgate86

465 posts

45 months

Tuesday 12th October 2021
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clarki said:
Craig said:
Yes I think it's worth the £350 as there's no real downside and it does make it louder but only when pushing on. Although I was disappointed with the noise it was the harsh ride that led to me selling. Sorry this all sounds pretty negative and there's plenty of happy owners of them so it's a personal thing.

I personally much prefer the Boxster. The ride quality is far superior, as is the PDK gearbox and general handling. If I were to get an SLK55 it would be the R171 as better looking and better noise albeit worse interior than R172.
It is strange, no change that, interesting, how people prefer different cars. It's great. Guess that's why we're here.

I went the other way 981S to SLK55 and agree with you, the Porsche is a far better car, but it just didn't do anything for me. Brilliant but not special (and not particularly quick, too little torque). I get out of the merc laughing my head off at how mad it is. In this day and age it's a fairly terrible car, but as an event it's magnificent.

All IMO of course and every journalist will tell you i'm completely wrong!!
I'm with you, I spent 4 years in a 2012 R172 SLK55 and got the itch to change, mainly for a manual gearbox, however somehow I ended up with a 2016 PDK Boxster Black Edition and to be honest hated the whole ownership experience, the car was OK good handling (though the steering was crap), brakes were tiny, soft paint, the engine was lively and it was enjoyable to drive in the upper rev band, the gearbox was poor on the motorway and the exhaust droned. The other thing was the lack of comfort with the roof down....noisy, cold (poor CC), drafty and just really not enjoyable compared to the SLK. In the end I sold it after 18 months to buy guess what......another R172 SLK55 and I still love everything about it (apart from the gearbox), nearly the same as before Diamond White, with red bengal leather, but black AMG 10 spokes instead of silver. I now get my manual kicks out of a Toyota GR Yaris and life is great.

This was my actual first car........I was the second owner, bought as a demo from Teesside Mercedes Benz.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202003218...



Mr M

1,275 posts

207 months

Tuesday 12th October 2021
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>Some pictures! I haven't taken any nice photos yet - I've mainly been driving it! That said, the fuel cap states this car needs >98RON and it seems super unleaded is in short supply in this part of the South East.

I had the same issue over the weekend and in the end had to fill up with some Shell standard and then some Jet E10 when the next Shell was out as well :-(. Hopefully it's just temporary

GTRene

17,444 posts

229 months

Tuesday 12th October 2021
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Holgate86 said:
another R172 SLK55 and I still love everything about it (apart from the gearbox), nearly the same as before Diamond White, with red bengal leather, but black AMG 10 spokes instead of silver. I now get my manual kicks out of a Toyota GR Yaris and life is great.
I'm sometimes wondering, is it not possible to make that automatic gearbox a one with a stick?

There are some cars also alone with automatic, but you could use a kit to transform that automatic to a manual...

Also, say those newer 4.0 biturbo AMG V8's are all automatic, but the same engine in a Aston Martin, you can order with a manual...

so maybe if you really wanted, you could or make a kit to transform it to a manual, or if thats not possible with that gearbox, put another manual gearbox under it, maybe from another brand, like aston, or are they all use a gearbox were the diff also is? forgot the name., transaxle? then it would be difficult, or maybe them use a US gearbox, those some can handle that NM and HP.