Mercedes GTS questions
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Good morning all
wondering if you can answer me a few questions,
Im currently in a GT4 and love it but I've always had my eye on a GTS and having such a track focused car is no longer such a requirement so I'm toying with taking the plunge into a GTS and still doing the odd track session but mainly fast road driving.
My first question is can the GTS withstand the odd track session or are there modifications you need to think about to make it compliant on track?
second question what are the pit falls? common issues expensive problems that are common on the GTS?
Third is options, they range £58k to £70k in my price range but look similar on paper, can you advise me on must have options, I've always had BMWs and Porsches so don't know much about Merc options.
many thanks
Jon
wondering if you can answer me a few questions,
Im currently in a GT4 and love it but I've always had my eye on a GTS and having such a track focused car is no longer such a requirement so I'm toying with taking the plunge into a GTS and still doing the odd track session but mainly fast road driving.
My first question is can the GTS withstand the odd track session or are there modifications you need to think about to make it compliant on track?
second question what are the pit falls? common issues expensive problems that are common on the GTS?
Third is options, they range £58k to £70k in my price range but look similar on paper, can you advise me on must have options, I've always had BMWs and Porsches so don't know much about Merc options.
many thanks
Jon
I'm looking a lot into AMG GT-GTS and specially the GTR (but more expensive, to new)
if you want the best basic AMG GTS choose the "edition 1" that one comes with a lot standard things and the best goodies, also a bit lower and a bit more sporty and carbon roof and the better sport seats standard and standard aero package etc etc, so it seems (forgot a lot)
but...a lot sellers advertise their GTS as a edition 1...but they are not!!
a real edition 1 have also the edition 1 steering! and red stripe interior and carbon roof and aero package and way more, but if the edition 1 steering is not in it, its not a adition 1.
and the best thing is, if you look good, you can buy them for the same price as a normal GTS or GT even.
the steering edition 1, must be in the edition 1 car.
the red stitching
a example , ceramic brakes (not on this example) are also common, that is a extra
here a short story
>>>a limited-edition model called the Mercedes AMG GTS ‘Edition 1’. What made the Edition 1 so special is the additional features that came as standard with the car:
Exterior:
Aerodynamic package in black, which comprised of a larger front splitter flics on the side of the air intakes of the front apron, wheel arch flics at the front, dynamic black trim on the side sill panels and a fixed rear aerofoil in black
Carbon-fibre roof
Night package, which consisted of diamond grille in black with louvre in high-gloss black, fins in the front wings in high-gloss black, exterior mirror housings in high-gloss black, trim strip in the diffuser insert in high-gloss black, triangular side windows and rear window in heat-insulating tinted glass, black tailpipe trim elements
10-spoke light-alloy wheels painted in black and with a high-sheen finish, 19” in size on the front and 20” on the rear
Interior:
Black nappa leather interior with red contrasting topstitching
Performance seats with integral belt guide in black nappa leather/DINAMICA microfibre with red contrasting topstitching
Interior Black Diamond package
Performance steering wheel in DINAMICA microfibre with flattened bottom section, 12-o'clock marking, red contrasting topstitching, steering wheel bezel in silver chrome with "Edition 1" lettering and silver-coloured aluminium shift paddles
Additional Equipment:
Keyless-go
Mirror package
AMG door sills in Stainless steel, with illuminating AMG lettering
Burmester surround sound
Parktronic with reversing camera
Blind spot assist
Lane keeping assistant and Distronic Plus
There were a small number of additional items that could be specified including the car colour, different wheels, AMG DYNAMIC PLUS package and Carbon Ceramic Brakes.<<<
if you want the best basic AMG GTS choose the "edition 1" that one comes with a lot standard things and the best goodies, also a bit lower and a bit more sporty and carbon roof and the better sport seats standard and standard aero package etc etc, so it seems (forgot a lot)
but...a lot sellers advertise their GTS as a edition 1...but they are not!!
a real edition 1 have also the edition 1 steering! and red stripe interior and carbon roof and aero package and way more, but if the edition 1 steering is not in it, its not a adition 1.
and the best thing is, if you look good, you can buy them for the same price as a normal GTS or GT even.
the steering edition 1, must be in the edition 1 car.
the red stitching
a example , ceramic brakes (not on this example) are also common, that is a extra
here a short story
>>>a limited-edition model called the Mercedes AMG GTS ‘Edition 1’. What made the Edition 1 so special is the additional features that came as standard with the car:
Exterior:
Aerodynamic package in black, which comprised of a larger front splitter flics on the side of the air intakes of the front apron, wheel arch flics at the front, dynamic black trim on the side sill panels and a fixed rear aerofoil in black
Carbon-fibre roof
Night package, which consisted of diamond grille in black with louvre in high-gloss black, fins in the front wings in high-gloss black, exterior mirror housings in high-gloss black, trim strip in the diffuser insert in high-gloss black, triangular side windows and rear window in heat-insulating tinted glass, black tailpipe trim elements
10-spoke light-alloy wheels painted in black and with a high-sheen finish, 19” in size on the front and 20” on the rear
Interior:
Black nappa leather interior with red contrasting topstitching
Performance seats with integral belt guide in black nappa leather/DINAMICA microfibre with red contrasting topstitching
Interior Black Diamond package
Performance steering wheel in DINAMICA microfibre with flattened bottom section, 12-o'clock marking, red contrasting topstitching, steering wheel bezel in silver chrome with "Edition 1" lettering and silver-coloured aluminium shift paddles
Additional Equipment:
Keyless-go
Mirror package
AMG door sills in Stainless steel, with illuminating AMG lettering
Burmester surround sound
Parktronic with reversing camera
Blind spot assist
Lane keeping assistant and Distronic Plus
There were a small number of additional items that could be specified including the car colour, different wheels, AMG DYNAMIC PLUS package and Carbon Ceramic Brakes.<<<
They do pretty good on track so it seems, even as standard, see here Nürburgring track and many others, on the ring 7.35min faster then many others with more power and or lower weight.
If you click on say that AMG GTS you see how well it does on other tracks
you also can set the Filter(s) on top, to exclude some cars from the list, say non road cars or tuned cars etc.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
If you click on say that AMG GTS you see how well it does on other tracks
you also can set the Filter(s) on top, to exclude some cars from the list, say non road cars or tuned cars etc.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
I own a 66 plate GTS so will try and help here. Your budget will get you into a decent GTS, higher mileage (40kish) towards the bottom of your budget versus VGC dealer cars with low mileage at the top.
2015 to very early 2016 - check they've had the carbon propshaft recall done.Edition 1 - much rarer and mostly 2015 cars, they hold their money. Personally I find the cabins in them very dark due to the carbon roof and black interior, my must have was a non black interior hence I opted for black/red.
If you opt for a standard GTS the only must have option IMHO is the premium pack. This gives keyless start, pan roof, burmester sound system and illuminated sills.
The only option I wish I had on mine is the distronic adaptive cruise - not very common though TBH it's not hardship without.
It's a long bonnet which takes a little getting used to especially when parking or pulling out of junctions.
They were pitted against the 911 from new and many reviews (tiff, Harris, Plato etc) all rate the GTS very highly against the Porsche.
Lots of luggage space for the type of car and a very comfortable cabin.
Ride is firm but still comfy, I've driven some long drives in mine and find it more comfy than my old C7 RS6 performance.
Steering is light and darty, some prefer a little more weight but I really like its directness. Lots of people track them, if you're going to do a lot of track days then try and find one with Carbon ceramics but standard brakes are very good.
It gets a lot of attention but not the unwanted kind. It's pretty rare on the roads, sounds great especially in sport plus and goes like stink. The engine is more than capable of being tuned to much higher outputs as well if thats your thing.
A couple of quick obligatory pics;
2015 to very early 2016 - check they've had the carbon propshaft recall done.Edition 1 - much rarer and mostly 2015 cars, they hold their money. Personally I find the cabins in them very dark due to the carbon roof and black interior, my must have was a non black interior hence I opted for black/red.
If you opt for a standard GTS the only must have option IMHO is the premium pack. This gives keyless start, pan roof, burmester sound system and illuminated sills.
The only option I wish I had on mine is the distronic adaptive cruise - not very common though TBH it's not hardship without.
It's a long bonnet which takes a little getting used to especially when parking or pulling out of junctions.
They were pitted against the 911 from new and many reviews (tiff, Harris, Plato etc) all rate the GTS very highly against the Porsche.
Lots of luggage space for the type of car and a very comfortable cabin.
Ride is firm but still comfy, I've driven some long drives in mine and find it more comfy than my old C7 RS6 performance.
Steering is light and darty, some prefer a little more weight but I really like its directness. Lots of people track them, if you're going to do a lot of track days then try and find one with Carbon ceramics but standard brakes are very good.
It gets a lot of attention but not the unwanted kind. It's pretty rare on the roads, sounds great especially in sport plus and goes like stink. The engine is more than capable of being tuned to much higher outputs as well if thats your thing.
A couple of quick obligatory pics;
Edited by Zippee on Friday 18th September 15:34
Thanks for that very helpful reply,
Your car is the spec I’m looking for with the possible option of the sports seats. I think I’m going to take one out this week and directly compare it to my gt4 and make the decision but I’m leaning towards the Gts.
Apart from the prop chart recall are there any other common faults? I saw something about active engine mounts being an issue, do they all have these or are they only with certain options?
Your car is the spec I’m looking for with the possible option of the sports seats. I think I’m going to take one out this week and directly compare it to my gt4 and make the decision but I’m leaning towards the Gts.
Apart from the prop chart recall are there any other common faults? I saw something about active engine mounts being an issue, do they all have these or are they only with certain options?
The GTC will be much closer to your gt4 but dont think theyve dropped to 60k yet?
If you can, then you get: electronic diff, stiffer set up, rear wheel steering, extra wide track, wider wheels / tyres, more power etc. gt/s cars were criticised for being a little skittish but i must admit i found them fine when i tested, C was a fair step better though.
If you can, then you get: electronic diff, stiffer set up, rear wheel steering, extra wide track, wider wheels / tyres, more power etc. gt/s cars were criticised for being a little skittish but i must admit i found them fine when i tested, C was a fair step better though.
To be honest I’m trying to get away from the track focused car set up, I do the odd track day but have another car for that if need be.
I like the look of the edition 1 but don’t want the stiffer ride, if I want a track hero I would keep the gt4.
I need to drive a Gts this week to decide really.
Cheers
I like the look of the edition 1 but don’t want the stiffer ride, if I want a track hero I would keep the gt4.
I need to drive a Gts this week to decide really.
Cheers
CSLmarson said:
To be honest I’m trying to get away from the track focused car set up, I do the odd track day but have another car for that if need be.
I like the look of the edition 1 but don’t want the stiffer ride, if I want a track hero I would keep the gt4.
I need to drive a Gts this week to decide really.
Cheers
It actually does the touring well due to the selectable suspension, 4k miles done across Europe so far and my wife is quite particular about ride comfort as we have an S63 to, if you get the gt or s with selectable damping then this damping is exactly the same as the C and an essential option Imo (after testing ‘with’ and ‘without’)I like the look of the edition 1 but don’t want the stiffer ride, if I want a track hero I would keep the gt4.
I need to drive a Gts this week to decide really.
Cheers
The C is ‘only’ more stiffly sprung (same springs as GTR) but in no way uncomfortable, I only do the odd track day so didnt want a hero either, its more for touring as i have a track car as well but the C is incredible on track if you need it to be
I understand your point though, 15k odd extra for a car that you’ll ‘maybe’ use on the occasional track is a bit over kill but they do bloody well, they’ll walk away from a Nissan GTR on the straights to, destroys GT4s, was very surprised how good it was apart from std tyres
Very different tp the GT4, big handful, long bonnet on blind crests particularly unnerving but that just takes time to learn, very old school TVR like in its approach, you’ll either absolutely love it or hate it as its quite different, a marmite drive if you like.
Good luck testing, be sure to test with the selectable suspension though.
I have had my GTS now for just over a year. Love it and came from a M6 Competition.
I have just had Gadtuning install a stage 2 tune and it makes the car a beast. More power than a GTR as well as torque.
The car can be as obnoxious as you want or keep it in comfort mode and its tame and quiet.
Friend has a GTC and its a lovely car but still prefer my GTS.
Pvapour said:
Link to Gad? wouldnt mind doing s few mods now, 700hp in these feels perfectly manageable on cup 2s
Would have no problem recommending them.https://gadtuning.co.uk/
KevF said:
Pvapour said:
Link to Gad? wouldnt mind doing s few mods now, 700hp in these feels perfectly manageable on cup 2s
Would have no problem recommending them.https://gadtuning.co.uk/
Their map only produces gtr power of 575, which is the same for many of the mapping places actually, only celtic or renntech quote higher.
KevF said:
Pvapour said:
Thanks, so what did you have done?
Their map only produces gtr power of 575, which is the same for many of the mapping places actually, only celtic or renntech quote higher.
Went for the Stage 2 which is tune plus decat downpipes.Their map only produces gtr power of 575, which is the same for many of the mapping places actually, only celtic or renntech quote higher.
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