E43 AMG Tyre skipping
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At slow speeds when parking or completing a tight manoeuvre I hear the most horrendous crunching noise from the steering area of the car. It's E43 4 matic AMG 2017 reg. I've been told by Mercedes that this is called tyre skipping and happens in colder weather. I find this hard to believe as I first noticed it in August. Has anyone else had this problem and this explanation?
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Mammasaid said:
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Worse in the cold, still present in the warm.
Worse with bigger alloys, often less present / not there with smaller alloys.
Winter tyres supposedly helps it.
My C43, and the E63 Estate I drove yesterday both do it, but tbh, it doesn't really phase me as I'm often not in a strong full lock / majority lock position.
Worse with bigger alloys, often less present / not there with smaller alloys.
Winter tyres supposedly helps it.
My C43, and the E63 Estate I drove yesterday both do it, but tbh, it doesn't really phase me as I'm often not in a strong full lock / majority lock position.
My new E 43 does the same
Merc response is not acceptable and the dealership just ignore the complaint
I haven had high performance porcshe/jaguar/ Audi/ and merc and never had this problem
I sold my XK to get my E 43 but it is nowhere near as good
Will end up selling and go back to jaguar
Merc response is not acceptable and the dealership just ignore the complaint
I haven had high performance porcshe/jaguar/ Audi/ and merc and never had this problem
I sold my XK to get my E 43 but it is nowhere near as good
Will end up selling and go back to jaguar
Poor design. Ackerman angles coupled with 4WD wind-up are the cause, not big wheels and low profile tyres.
In the case of the GLC, this is apparently l limited to the RH drive versions only. The excuse was initially this was "perfectly normal" behaviour in colder weather, and they suggested fitting winter tyres which partially masks the issue but nothing more.
When I mentioned poor Ackerman, Mercedes conceded the move of the front differential to accommodate RH drive has led to this but even that doesn't make sense because that shouldn't alter the uprights (where the Ackerman is engineered), and this doesn't affect other cars like my own RH drive GL (on stupidly low profile tyres).
I have a question... Is this limited to Mercedes only? I can't recall owners of other marques having trouble like this?
In the case of the GLC, this is apparently l limited to the RH drive versions only. The excuse was initially this was "perfectly normal" behaviour in colder weather, and they suggested fitting winter tyres which partially masks the issue but nothing more.
When I mentioned poor Ackerman, Mercedes conceded the move of the front differential to accommodate RH drive has led to this but even that doesn't make sense because that shouldn't alter the uprights (where the Ackerman is engineered), and this doesn't affect other cars like my own RH drive GL (on stupidly low profile tyres).
I have a question... Is this limited to Mercedes only? I can't recall owners of other marques having trouble like this?
My C7 Corvette does it.
To a lesser degree (and years ago), my 2JZ Supra did it too.
There's a pretty good explanation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYMMdjbmQXc
To a lesser degree (and years ago), my 2JZ Supra did it too.
There's a pretty good explanation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYMMdjbmQXc
Watchman said:
I have a question... Is this limited to Mercedes only? I can't recall owners of other marques having trouble like this?
I thought Porsche Panamera did it too? Audi RS6?My E63s wagon does it. Winter tyres has almost eliminated it.
With the summer tyres on, it was quite noticeable on full (or close to full) lock when parking etc. But it doesn't put me off the car at all.
I have had this happen on a number of cars especially with the wider tread tyres.
As long as you are happy that pressures, tracking and geometry set-up are all OK then I would not worry.
Block paving and concrete surfaces are more likely to give you this "skipping" effect.
Just keep an eye on tread wear, particularly in the inner edge and if all seems fine, then it is fine.
The reason why winter tyres do not give you this symptom is because of the compound and tread design which are both "softer" than summer tyres.
Hope this helps.
As long as you are happy that pressures, tracking and geometry set-up are all OK then I would not worry.
Block paving and concrete surfaces are more likely to give you this "skipping" effect.
Just keep an eye on tread wear, particularly in the inner edge and if all seems fine, then it is fine.
The reason why winter tyres do not give you this symptom is because of the compound and tread design which are both "softer" than summer tyres.
Hope this helps.
Edited by goddo on Wednesday 27th March 12:05
tomw2000 said:
Watchman said:
I have a question... Is this limited to Mercedes only? I can't recall owners of other marques having trouble like this?
I thought Porsche Panamera did it too? Audi RS6?My E63s wagon does it. Winter tyres has almost eliminated it.
With the summer tyres on, it was quite noticeable on full (or close to full) lock when parking etc. But it doesn't put me off the car at all.
Not wishing to shout about my cars, but over the years I have owned among others a couple of Bentley Continental GT's,
a Porsche Panamera, a couple of Jaguar XFR's, an Aston Martin DB9, a Jaguar XKR, plus my current AMG C63
and apart from the Bentley's (which were 4WD), they have all given me tyre skip to some degree.
I still maintain that if the pressures and geometry are set correctly, you have nothing to worry about.
As most dealers will tell you "They all do that sir".
a Porsche Panamera, a couple of Jaguar XFR's, an Aston Martin DB9, a Jaguar XKR, plus my current AMG C63
and apart from the Bentley's (which were 4WD), they have all given me tyre skip to some degree.
I still maintain that if the pressures and geometry are set correctly, you have nothing to worry about.
As most dealers will tell you "They all do that sir".
I also have had the misfortune of buying a 2017 E43 Estate, and have had the tyre skipping issue, having only done 9000 mile, today having all 4 of the rubbish Yokohama tyres replaced with Pirelli at £250 per tyre, which should I've been told will help with skipping issue.
If this works, will post the Pirelli tyre spec tomorrow
If this works, will post the Pirelli tyre spec tomorrow
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