S24+ / S24 Ultra, or…?
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I mentioned on another thread that App updates are beginning to cause me problems because they no longer work with my phone (Note 9) - so I'm considering a new phone. The problem is, I don't really want one so need a little convincing.
My Note 9 was already being phased out when I bought it in 2020, but I bought it because features I wanted didn't appear on the newer models (SD card, headphone socket, status LED) so I got the last model "new" phone I could that had those (although I don't use the headphone socket these days).
I prefer Samsung - I have a Samsung watch and tablets, but might be persuaded by other brands if they offer me something positive. However, it's very unlikely I'd buy Motorola - I had their "premium" phone (Startac) many years ago and it was utter garbage.
Since there is no SD card, I want at least 512GB.
If you can still buy them, I'd consider S23s - but since I'm having to replace mine due to lack of support - buying an "old" model seems like a dumb idea.
So the favourites are S24 Ultra and S24+. Problem is - I like having the stylus (even though I use it rarely) which means Ultra over plus, but the Ultra is one of the ugliest things I've seen. The plus is a much better form factor.
I don't care about camera quality - I rarely take photos and as long as they're adequate I'm happy.
I don't care about 5G, although I assume I'll get it anyway with a newer phone - although I'm unlikely to upgrade my plan.
I would like dual SIM support with eSIM as the second SIM. We're going to Barbados later this year, and EE don't do any roaming deals there which means the phone is pretty useless. A local eSIM might be handy.
It must have fingerprint as biometrics - face recognition is rubbish.
Any suggestions for why an S24 Ultra or S24+ would be a good thing - or something else that would be better? I feel like I need to spend a chunk of money and not really get anything new that I need - simply to get my apps working again. That - plus the hassle of setting up a new phone - make me a bit reluctant to bother, even though I should be excited about a new shiny phone!
I could also wait for S25 next year, but I suspect that will basically be a slightly shinier S24 that still doesn't offer anything I want but costs more.
I do not want iPhone.
My Note 9 was already being phased out when I bought it in 2020, but I bought it because features I wanted didn't appear on the newer models (SD card, headphone socket, status LED) so I got the last model "new" phone I could that had those (although I don't use the headphone socket these days).
I prefer Samsung - I have a Samsung watch and tablets, but might be persuaded by other brands if they offer me something positive. However, it's very unlikely I'd buy Motorola - I had their "premium" phone (Startac) many years ago and it was utter garbage.
Since there is no SD card, I want at least 512GB.
If you can still buy them, I'd consider S23s - but since I'm having to replace mine due to lack of support - buying an "old" model seems like a dumb idea.
So the favourites are S24 Ultra and S24+. Problem is - I like having the stylus (even though I use it rarely) which means Ultra over plus, but the Ultra is one of the ugliest things I've seen. The plus is a much better form factor.
I don't care about camera quality - I rarely take photos and as long as they're adequate I'm happy.
I don't care about 5G, although I assume I'll get it anyway with a newer phone - although I'm unlikely to upgrade my plan.
I would like dual SIM support with eSIM as the second SIM. We're going to Barbados later this year, and EE don't do any roaming deals there which means the phone is pretty useless. A local eSIM might be handy.
It must have fingerprint as biometrics - face recognition is rubbish.
Any suggestions for why an S24 Ultra or S24+ would be a good thing - or something else that would be better? I feel like I need to spend a chunk of money and not really get anything new that I need - simply to get my apps working again. That - plus the hassle of setting up a new phone - make me a bit reluctant to bother, even though I should be excited about a new shiny phone!
I could also wait for S25 next year, but I suspect that will basically be a slightly shinier S24 that still doesn't offer anything I want but costs more.
I do not want iPhone.
BlueJazz said:
Have you considered a Galaxy Fold? They too use the stylus (need to option it in and pick a suitable case) and have a much bigger screen due to the folding. The camera system isn't much to write home about but works well in most circumstances.
A new model is due soon so there's plenty of opportunity for discount or getting a refurbished one.
I have actually - and that would make it more like a new toy. I've seen people using them and I do like them.A new model is due soon so there's plenty of opportunity for discount or getting a refurbished one.
I'm not sure I fully trust the screen to last - and I think I'll find it too thick to fit comfortably in my pocket - but I do need a proper look at them.
Sadly - if the new model is released in a couple of weeks, it's likely I'd buy that
ETA : I just happen to have a laptop power dock thing which is roughly the same dimensions as the Fold 5 - certainly the same thinkness, albeit very slightly shorter / narrower.
That fits in the pocket fine - and the Fold 5 is actually shorter and narrower than the Note 9 anyway - so I don't think it will be a problem.
Thanks for the suggestion. Read a few Fold 5 reviews this morning, and I think there is a very good chance I'll be buying a Fold 6 in a few weeks....... rather than being reluctant, I'm actually quite excited at the prospect now! Even though the price has probably just jumped significantly.
I was also waiting for the Watch 7 to be announced, so July might be a rather expensive month.....
Edited by davek_964 on Friday 28th June 10:14
Luke. said:
Had a Fold 3 and now on a Fold 5. Brilliant devices and a bit of a game changer. The 6 is going to be a couple of mm wider and with squarer corners. Same camera and battery as the 5, so nothing to write home about really.
I picked my 5 up from GiffGaff as used but in new condition for £799. It arrived absolutely spotless with the protective plastic coverings in place. So worth having a look around. The 6 is likely to be ££££....
Yeah. Rumours seem to suggest that it will probably be over £2k, especially for the 512GB / 1TB versions.I picked my 5 up from GiffGaff as used but in new condition for £799. It arrived absolutely spotless with the protective plastic coverings in place. So worth having a look around. The 6 is likely to be ££££....
If the fold 6 was a bit more conventional size when folded, and integrated the s pen - I might be willing to spend that. But it looks like it won't be significantly different from the Fold 5 - that's the same kind of money as the S24 Ultra at ~£1,350. The fold 6 needs to be significantly better to justify me spending an extra £1k, especially since that would cover the watch 7....
Currys don't even list the fold 5 now but a local CEX had one so we went to take a look.
Quite nice to hold and the folding / unfolding felt good - it was stiffer than I expected it to be. I'm not a big fan of the outside screen form factor though.
By chance, the salesman had previously owned a fold 5 and was very helpful. He pointed out something that I'd noticed in reviews - that even unfolded, because of the aspect ratio you end up with big black bars above / below videos which means that the viewable area is barely larger than a traditional phone - particularly the S24 Ultra.
That would be a bit annoying because it would mean when flying short hall - which we do 4 or 5 times a year - I'd probably still want to take a tablet and that's a bit of a big negative.
Unfolded would work well for browsing etc, although the salesman said he did that less than he expected and used the front screen most of the time simply because it was there / quicker.
I'll see what the 10th July brings - I suspect it won't be different enough from the 5 to convince me and I'm not sure I'd order a 5 in preference to S24+ or ultra. But I have 10 days to think about it.
Quite nice to hold and the folding / unfolding felt good - it was stiffer than I expected it to be. I'm not a big fan of the outside screen form factor though.
By chance, the salesman had previously owned a fold 5 and was very helpful. He pointed out something that I'd noticed in reviews - that even unfolded, because of the aspect ratio you end up with big black bars above / below videos which means that the viewable area is barely larger than a traditional phone - particularly the S24 Ultra.
That would be a bit annoying because it would mean when flying short hall - which we do 4 or 5 times a year - I'd probably still want to take a tablet and that's a bit of a big negative.
Unfolded would work well for browsing etc, although the salesman said he did that less than he expected and used the front screen most of the time simply because it was there / quicker.
I'll see what the 10th July brings - I suspect it won't be different enough from the 5 to convince me and I'm not sure I'd order a 5 in preference to S24+ or ultra. But I have 10 days to think about it.
I play games on a PS5, but I never play games on my phone or tablet and doubt I ever will.
I think that part of the appeal of the fold phones is that I don't really want to upgrade my phone - especially since I don't really like the look of the S24 Ultra - and at least the fold is different, and hence gives me "something" back for having to change.
Most of my use is listening to music (where it would be folded), and then browsing / email / spreadsheets / banking etc. - all of which would be good with it in tablet form. Videos when flying, and as I said - the fact that won't be much better than a phone might be an issue.
The OnePlus does seem to be a better phone from the reviews - and perhaps I could even live without wireless. But I'm a bit wary of buying something that seems a bit niche. I can't buy it from Amazon / Curry's - and equally, while I could buy a 100 different cases etc. for a Samsung, that's not going to be the case with the OnePlus.
I will do some more research over the next few days though.
I think that part of the appeal of the fold phones is that I don't really want to upgrade my phone - especially since I don't really like the look of the S24 Ultra - and at least the fold is different, and hence gives me "something" back for having to change.
Most of my use is listening to music (where it would be folded), and then browsing / email / spreadsheets / banking etc. - all of which would be good with it in tablet form. Videos when flying, and as I said - the fact that won't be much better than a phone might be an issue.
The OnePlus does seem to be a better phone from the reviews - and perhaps I could even live without wireless. But I'm a bit wary of buying something that seems a bit niche. I can't buy it from Amazon / Curry's - and equally, while I could buy a 100 different cases etc. for a Samsung, that's not going to be the case with the OnePlus.
I will do some more research over the next few days though.
justin220 said:
I'm another fan of the Samsung Fold. I currently have the 3, and no major issues to report of over the last three years. I mainly use it for media when travelling and things like Netflix/Youtube are brilliant on it. I've not felt the need for a tablet since I bought it. Its fantastic having the inner screen open for multitasking.
I don't agree that the screen isn't much bigger than the slab phones, I guess it depends on how much bigger you need. Sure it will never be a full size tablet, but its noticeably bigger than my wife's iPhone when watching video.
The real disappointment with the Fold's are the cameras. The 3 is OK at best, its a real shame Samsung don't put the S24 ultra camera into them, and its significantly better. Again as a comparison to my wife's iPhone, hers is miles ahead.
Tempted to upgrade to the Fold 6 when its launched, but the camera is holding me back. I'd massively miss the screen however if I go for the S24+
Thanks, that's useful. I don't agree that the screen isn't much bigger than the slab phones, I guess it depends on how much bigger you need. Sure it will never be a full size tablet, but its noticeably bigger than my wife's iPhone when watching video.
The real disappointment with the Fold's are the cameras. The 3 is OK at best, its a real shame Samsung don't put the S24 ultra camera into them, and its significantly better. Again as a comparison to my wife's iPhone, hers is miles ahead.
Tempted to upgrade to the Fold 6 when its launched, but the camera is holding me back. I'd massively miss the screen however if I go for the S24+
I don't think the cameras will be a big issue for me - and I'd guess the 6 will be a bit better even if not S24 Ultra better
OK - decision made.
S24 Ultra : Ruled out because it is just too big, and with the square corners - too ugly. I really don't have any desire to own it. I want S-pen, but the reality is I've used the S pen in my Note 9 about 3 times in 4 years.......
S24+ : The right kind of size / form factor - very similar to my Note 9. But that's a double edged sword - I don't want to spend ~£1k on a phone that looks pretty much like the phone I already have just so that my apps work. Seven years worth of updates was tempting though.
Fold 5 : Tempting, but I don't like the folded form factor. It does have S pen, but it's not integral which means I'd never have it with me anyway. It's a phone I think I could live with, but it's not a phone I want.
Fold 6 : Obviously not out yet, but it's hard to believe that it will be significantly different from all the leaks. Which means - although it is slightly wider, and slightly less tall - we're talking the order of mm, and it's still not a form factor I like. Plus - it seems it's followed the Ultra square corner design which is horrible - so when closed it's not only the wrong form factor, it's damn ugly too.
The simple fact is, while it is probably better than the Fold 5 - the differences are simply not big enough (and some, like the square corners are a backwards step) and since it's likely to be a £2k+ phone (I wouldn't buy one with less than 512GB) that's just not good enough. Samsung have the resource to have done better - particularly since this is the type of phone they've made for years now - and it's not a big enough step from the Fold 5.
So I've ordered a OnePlus Open. Pretty much every review rates it above the Fold 5, and it is the form factor I want. The fold is much less visible when in tablet mode than the Samsung - it was obvious in many videos, and mentioned by the reviewers too (although the fold 6 might be better I guess).
Lack of wireless charging will be a bit irritating - but I only really use that to charge the phone overnight - and a phone that will charge from empty to 100% in 40 minutes means that overnight charging seems a bit unnecessary now anyway.
I will lose some Samsung apps - I do use Samsung Notes for a few things, so will need to move them to Keep notes (which I also use). And I guess it will take some time to get used to the non-Samsung way of doing things (although I use Nova Launcher anyway).
I have some reservations. I know from having broken my screen before that official Samsung repairs can be done on my driveway from a van - I think Oneplus will be a little more painful. This is a bit of a concern with a phone that has a folding screen - which is presumably the weak point - and of course one day it may need a new battery.
But the reality is that for me, the current Samsung's just don't give me what I want. I am wary about moving away from them - but time will tell whether it's the right decision.
It's currently estimated to arrive on Friday.
S24 Ultra : Ruled out because it is just too big, and with the square corners - too ugly. I really don't have any desire to own it. I want S-pen, but the reality is I've used the S pen in my Note 9 about 3 times in 4 years.......
S24+ : The right kind of size / form factor - very similar to my Note 9. But that's a double edged sword - I don't want to spend ~£1k on a phone that looks pretty much like the phone I already have just so that my apps work. Seven years worth of updates was tempting though.
Fold 5 : Tempting, but I don't like the folded form factor. It does have S pen, but it's not integral which means I'd never have it with me anyway. It's a phone I think I could live with, but it's not a phone I want.
Fold 6 : Obviously not out yet, but it's hard to believe that it will be significantly different from all the leaks. Which means - although it is slightly wider, and slightly less tall - we're talking the order of mm, and it's still not a form factor I like. Plus - it seems it's followed the Ultra square corner design which is horrible - so when closed it's not only the wrong form factor, it's damn ugly too.
The simple fact is, while it is probably better than the Fold 5 - the differences are simply not big enough (and some, like the square corners are a backwards step) and since it's likely to be a £2k+ phone (I wouldn't buy one with less than 512GB) that's just not good enough. Samsung have the resource to have done better - particularly since this is the type of phone they've made for years now - and it's not a big enough step from the Fold 5.
So I've ordered a OnePlus Open. Pretty much every review rates it above the Fold 5, and it is the form factor I want. The fold is much less visible when in tablet mode than the Samsung - it was obvious in many videos, and mentioned by the reviewers too (although the fold 6 might be better I guess).
Lack of wireless charging will be a bit irritating - but I only really use that to charge the phone overnight - and a phone that will charge from empty to 100% in 40 minutes means that overnight charging seems a bit unnecessary now anyway.
I will lose some Samsung apps - I do use Samsung Notes for a few things, so will need to move them to Keep notes (which I also use). And I guess it will take some time to get used to the non-Samsung way of doing things (although I use Nova Launcher anyway).
I have some reservations. I know from having broken my screen before that official Samsung repairs can be done on my driveway from a van - I think Oneplus will be a little more painful. This is a bit of a concern with a phone that has a folding screen - which is presumably the weak point - and of course one day it may need a new battery.
But the reality is that for me, the current Samsung's just don't give me what I want. I am wary about moving away from them - but time will tell whether it's the right decision.
It's currently estimated to arrive on Friday.
SP_ said:
I think you need to look at the actual prices. £1k for an S24+ is wildly out of the real world price. You can get one for nearer £500.
I did look at real prices. For a 512GB S24+ - from sites I use - it is about £1k.I am aware that there are places online that are cheaper, but I tend to order from places I trust and have used before. And that would mean ~£1k.
SP_ said:
davek_964 said:
SP_ said:
I think you need to look at the actual prices. £1k for an S24+ is wildly out of the real world price. You can get one for nearer £500.
I did look at real prices. For a 512GB S24+ - from sites I use - it is about £1k.I am aware that there are places online that are cheaper, but I tend to order from places I trust and have used before. And that would mean ~£1k.
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-galaxy-s2...
It's a tad academic though. I said that I didn't want to spend about £1k for a phone that didn't really offer anything (other than up to date Android) over my existing phone, and that is equally true for a £700 phone.
Well - it was estimated to be delivered on Friday 5th. Was dispatched yesterday and the estimated delivery date moved to Thurs 4th - but it's just arrived at my local post office and is now estimated to be delivered today
In time, it might turn out to be the worst decision I've ever made - I have a few reservations - but I feel like a kid at Christmas. So at least in the short term, this was a good idea and I'm really looking forward to it turning up!
In time, it might turn out to be the worst decision I've ever made - I have a few reservations - but I feel like a kid at Christmas. So at least in the short term, this was a good idea and I'm really looking forward to it turning up!
It arrived at lunchtime, so I guess I know what I'll spend my evening doing........
First impressions are : It's bloody lovely! The inner screen is definitely a step up from the fold 5 I saw - you can feel the dip in the hinge, but you can't see it unless you angle it towards the light.
Nova Launcher seems to work well so my screens should look pretty familiar by tomorrow. Added Outlook and my email accounts and that seems to have sync'd fine.
Got a lot more apps to add, but so far I'm very impressed.
First impressions are : It's bloody lovely! The inner screen is definitely a step up from the fold 5 I saw - you can feel the dip in the hinge, but you can't see it unless you angle it towards the light.
Nova Launcher seems to work well so my screens should look pretty familiar by tomorrow. Added Outlook and my email accounts and that seems to have sync'd fine.
Got a lot more apps to add, but so far I'm very impressed.
numtumfutunch said:
...my biggest beef was the Bluetooth performance. In contrast to Samsung phones before and after the Oneplus using contactless and range with wireless speakers was frustrating at best leading me to think that the OPlus bluetooth clever bits have been a victim of penny pinching
Honestly I used to get exasperated at Waitrose self service tills (actually Lidl but this is PH) and there is a huge gulf in performance playing tunez via BT speakers at work and at home with my other phones
Interesting that you mention Bluetooth. I noticed something odd last night.Honestly I used to get exasperated at Waitrose self service tills (actually Lidl but this is PH) and there is a huge gulf in performance playing tunez via BT speakers at work and at home with my other phones
By default, BT was off. I wanted to transfer a file from my old phone to my new phone so enabled BT - the file transferred fine.
A few hours later, I wanted to do the same thing again but this time it failed - and when I went to BT on my old phone the OnePlus wasn't there. I had to disable / enable BT on the OnePlus for it to be found again, and that happened a number of times.
However - I have connected to my headphones this morning with no issue and they seem to be working fine.
I usually use the phone to pay for stuff - I might start carrying my bank cards with me for a few days.........
After spending last night setting the new phone up (although I've not finished) - I'm still currently pleased with it.
I didn't use the main screen very much - but that was mostly because I wanted to be setting the outer screen up to look the way I wanted (once I'd installed the apps). However - I did use it some, and thought it was excellent. I did find a bug though I think - sometimes when I closed the phone, the outer screen just shows my wallpaper and nothing else. I don't have any screens with nothing on (and I'm using Nova Launcher which has a task bar anyway). Pressing home solves it so it's not a big deal but it's a bit odd.
Other than that, it went very well. Even the g/f is impressed with it - which is telling, because when we viewed the Fold 5 she thought it was rubbish.
I did try a brief watch of Netflix / Prime and........ it was a bit poor. Massive bars top and bottom, and it really is the case that the display of the film is really not much bigger than my Note 9. I have a cheap tablet I use for short haul flying etc and I'm not sure it will stop me using that. But I think it probably will stop me using my main tablet (I don't watch videos on tablets / phones at home).
Surprisingly - the Prime experience was better than Netflix. Although the film isn't any bigger, it uses the extra space below to show the X-Ray stuff. I thought that was pretty neat.
Moving a few things over was a bit painful. I use Business Calendar (mostly because I like the widget) - and it turns out that it has not been sync'ing with Exchange for some time, presumably because my Android was out of date. Hence - although the new phone sync'd - it was full of old events that I'd deleted and none of the new events I'd added in the last 6 months......... Manual entry took a while...........
I miss the Reminder thing that the Samsung had. But the Google Calendar "task" achieves the same thing, and since Business Calendar isn't syncing with Google Calendar it doesn't clog up the Calendar view (I have several repeating reminders).
For some reason, the screen is an absolute dust magnet. Much much worse than my Note 9.
Fingerprint sensor seems a bit hit and miss - although it's difficult to tell because I also enabled face recognition. I have that on my (cheap) Samsung tablet and it's garbage. On the OnePlus it is brilliant and unlocks the phone most of the time without me even raising the phone (in fact, it's so good I'm wondering how secure it is!).
The fingerprint sensor is also a bit rubbish being on the power button - it's where my finger ends up when putting the phone down / picking it up and it will often fail enough times that it disables fingerprint for 30s and prompt for pin code.
Pin code is only 6 digits which is disappointing after Samsung 8 digit. Perhaps I'll change to password.
The SIM is in it, so it's now my main phone. Still plenty of setting up to do, but it will start being "normal use" from today so we'll see how it goes.
ETA : The one thing that has annoyed me a bit is the "selfie" camera lens. The Note 9 had a thin bar above the display with that in it - it's surprisingly irritating having a black circle at the top of the display on the OnePlus. I'm sure I'll get use to it but it's a bit horrible.
Edited by davek_964 on Thursday 4th July 09:02
Having used it for a few days as my normal phone, this is what I think. First the negatives : It's a little buggy.
- Occasionally when switching screens, the screen just shows wallpaper
- The home button sometimes doesn't work in an app. This happens surprisingly often and a Google search suggests it's been a problem for Oneplus for years! Recent apps button works, so that then home button seems to be the solution
- Occasionally when opening the screen, the icons in the task dock (I use Nova Launcher) are bigger and very close together. It's rare and might even be an issue with Nova.
Surprisingly, none of these issues bother me. A little irritating but you can immediately work around it so it doesn't seem like a big deal. Samsung software is clearly more polished.
I've been using Samsung for years, and have Samsung 'stuff' - tablets and watch. I fully expected to find it difficult to move to something else and would miss the Samsung bits.
I absolutely don't. It works fine with the watch, and things like settings etc seem more logical in the OnePlus - presumably because it's more Google.
Split screen in tablet mode is brilliant especially when setting up a new phone. Password manager on the left, app you're opening for the first time on the right.
Video playback is actually fine. Although the phone is almost square when open, it's not quite and putting it in landscape mode makes a noticeable difference in video screen size. I have a cheap tablet I use for travel - I don't think that will get used again.
I assumed I would use it mostly in phone mode but surprisingly, the reverse is true. I have a few phone stands and it sits on them better when open. I have a desk job so most of the day Monday to Friday - and overnight - it's on a phone stand and open.
Also, opening the phone wakes it up and face recognition is brilliant even when holding the phone normally. Which means that even if the phone is closed, it's just as easy to open it - when it will instantly unlock - as it is to unlock it with the fingerprint sensor. The only time I really use the front screen is if I'm standing up.
I haven't missed the wireless charging because the fast charging makes up for it. I was using it a lot in the first few days - one evening it was down to 18% - I charged for 12 mins and it hit 50%.
The next day it was down to 15% and a 35 min charge had it back to 100%.
Battery life is good. I'm using it mostly normally now although still probably a bit more than I usually would (and 90% of the time in tablet mode) - after charging to full about 24 hours ago, I still have 30% left.
It's only been a short period of time, but I would already be very very reluctant to go back to non folding phone. This thing is just brilliant.
- Occasionally when switching screens, the screen just shows wallpaper
- The home button sometimes doesn't work in an app. This happens surprisingly often and a Google search suggests it's been a problem for Oneplus for years! Recent apps button works, so that then home button seems to be the solution
- Occasionally when opening the screen, the icons in the task dock (I use Nova Launcher) are bigger and very close together. It's rare and might even be an issue with Nova.
Surprisingly, none of these issues bother me. A little irritating but you can immediately work around it so it doesn't seem like a big deal. Samsung software is clearly more polished.
I've been using Samsung for years, and have Samsung 'stuff' - tablets and watch. I fully expected to find it difficult to move to something else and would miss the Samsung bits.
I absolutely don't. It works fine with the watch, and things like settings etc seem more logical in the OnePlus - presumably because it's more Google.
Split screen in tablet mode is brilliant especially when setting up a new phone. Password manager on the left, app you're opening for the first time on the right.
Video playback is actually fine. Although the phone is almost square when open, it's not quite and putting it in landscape mode makes a noticeable difference in video screen size. I have a cheap tablet I use for travel - I don't think that will get used again.
I assumed I would use it mostly in phone mode but surprisingly, the reverse is true. I have a few phone stands and it sits on them better when open. I have a desk job so most of the day Monday to Friday - and overnight - it's on a phone stand and open.
Also, opening the phone wakes it up and face recognition is brilliant even when holding the phone normally. Which means that even if the phone is closed, it's just as easy to open it - when it will instantly unlock - as it is to unlock it with the fingerprint sensor. The only time I really use the front screen is if I'm standing up.
I haven't missed the wireless charging because the fast charging makes up for it. I was using it a lot in the first few days - one evening it was down to 18% - I charged for 12 mins and it hit 50%.
The next day it was down to 15% and a 35 min charge had it back to 100%.
Battery life is good. I'm using it mostly normally now although still probably a bit more than I usually would (and 90% of the time in tablet mode) - after charging to full about 24 hours ago, I still have 30% left.
It's only been a short period of time, but I would already be very very reluctant to go back to non folding phone. This thing is just brilliant.
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