'Smart' wifi 2 way light switches?

[Acuity31]

Bit of a minefield looking for something that might work.
My living room has a ceiling light and 2 x 1 gang 2 way switches on either side.
I'm looking to replace them for smart switches/Google assistant compatible and likely do the same to other most frequently used lights in the house.

The 'master' switch has a perm live going to comm, 2 browns and the light switch live going to one way, and a couple others going to two way terminals, plus 3 neutrals terminated together.
The second switch has only 1 brown in comm, light switch live in one way IIRC and a signal wire in 2way.

Does anything on the market exist which will maintain the 2way control of both switches, with wifi, ideally without fitting a capacitor? Note that only the main switch has the 3 neutrals, the other switch has none.
Thanks

[Grey_Area]

I used a physical smart light switch on one , and a battery operated smart on the other end of our kitchen, hall, and garage. Master and slave affair. They all work fine. Wired up as a single affair, not the usual method of double switching.
They are all tuya based, and operate though milliwave sensors as well.

[lizardbrain]

not as good, but smart bulbs are pretty cheap these days too

[Grey_Area]

These have been in for about 6 years.

[Acuity31]

Grey_Area said:

These have been in for about 6 years.

Aren't those one way though, so would make the other switch dead

[Grey_Area]

Yes, but wire as single with pass through, and use a second battery operated one as the second switch... master and slave as above in my previous .

[RizzoTheRat]

I use one switch as the actual switch, and the other as a main powered remote that tells Home Assistant to switch the other switch, might be an option depending on what systems you're using.


Some relays can use a 240v signal as the switch signal, meaning you can leave your existing switches in place, and fit a relay in the light fitting using the switched live from the light switches as the signal, and connected to the live and neutral that you almost certainly have in the light fitting. I know the Sonoff Zigbee relays can definitely do this, don't know about WiFi ones specifically but I'd be surprised if Shelly don't do a relay that can do it.

Edit: Shelly 1 Mini diagram appears to show exactly what you want
https://shellysa.co.za/wiring-diagrams/

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Wednesday 25th February 12:59

[clockworks]

Smart bulbs and either voice control or motion/presence sensors fitted in most rooms.
I've only got one smart "switch" for indoors lighting - a Shelly 1 controlling the transformer for the kitchen cabinet LED strips. Another Shelly does the garden outside light.

The hallways and landing are switched by Tapo motion sensors, as is the bathroom.
The dining room has several motion sensors.
Bedrooms and lounge are all voice-controlled using Alexa. Alexa can also override the areas with motion sensors.

Home Assistant ties everything together, and adds some automations. Not strictly necessary for the lighting though.

[Mr Pointy]

Maybe have a look at the Quinetic range of products:

https://www.quinetic.co.uk/#products
https://www.quinetic.co.uk/products/in-line-receiv...
https://www.quinetic.co.uk/products/weatherproof-s...

The simplest solution would be the items above but to add smart control you might need to use their wireless hub.

[Gone fishing]

Im slowly switching to Shelly.

As part of this I’m changing light switches to non latching/button press type (I”m using Knightsbridge grid so I can mix and match if you also have a traditional switch requirement in the same unit).

You just put all the switches in parallel, if any get pressed, the light toggles on/off. The dimmer versions are out of stock until next month but I’ll be trying those as well. The dimming is achieved by holding the button down.

The only issue I can think of is the Shelly unit is best placed where you have the neutral as this is typically where the live is sent out to the switches. It’s only a problem if you can’t get access, say it’s a ceiling rose with no space although there are work arounds. Because of the design, they’re not dependent on bridges, wifi, etc for normal operation, but are easily controlled via the Shelly app, home assistant etc.

[ARH]

Put something like a shelly relay in the light fitting.

https://shellystore.co.uk/product/shelly-1-gen4/

This will remove any need for messing about trying to get light switches to work in 2 or 3 way setups.
Its cheaper.
It allows you far more choice of switches if you like to have something different to a white switch.
They are local and compatible with most setups.

[normalbloke]

Lightwave?

[Acuity31]

I've found a couple on Amazon branded BSEED which claim to be 2 way wifi no neutral needed. On lower wattage LEDs may need to install the capacitor but I'll try without as my ceiling light is 48w LED

[SHutchinson]

Mr Pointy said:

Maybe have a look at the Quinetic range of products:

https://www.quinetic.co.uk/#products
https://www.quinetic.co.uk/products/in-line-receiv...
https://www.quinetic.co.uk/products/weatherproof-s...

The simplest solution would be the items above but to add smart control you might need to use their wireless hub.

This is exactly what I was about to suggest.

[Gone fishing]

ARH said:

Put something like a shelly relay in the light fitting.

https://shellystore.co.uk/product/shelly-1-gen4/

This will remove any need for messing about trying to get light switches to work in 2 or 3 way setups.
Its cheaper.
It allows you far more choice of switches if you like to have something different to a white switch.
They are local and compatible with most setups.

You can get away with the Mini version for lighting as it can switch 8A (equivalenet to 18x 100w light bulbs). Its a few quid cheaper, even more so if you buy the pair.
https://shellystore.co.uk/product/shelly-1-mini-ge...

[Baldchap]

Another vote for the Shelly stuff.

Don't be lazy in HA, give it a proper name immediately or it'll be one of a thousand with makes you can't recognise when you come to ensmartenakd a PITA to do anything with.

Ask me how I know...