My PC is now out of date. Time for upgrade?

[exelero]

Hello good people of Pistonheads.
My computer is now 7-8 years old and it was budget as it was when I put it together.
In short it’s 7th gen I5 with 16 gb ram and a 1050ti.
Time has come for an upgrade and I need one that will last me like 10 years and it won’t be out of date. Looking to spend around a couple of grand.
Thinking about the new generation ( Lake something ) i7, 4070 ti, 32 GB of ram. I did put this together on overclockers and it came to about 2400. Argos has one for 1799 which is 14th gen I7 and the same as the above.
Could anyone enlighten me what the AMD equivalent would be ? Any other suggestions?
Unfortunately I can’t get the 4090 at the moment.
It would be used for flight sim , CS2 and gta 6 when it comes out. Thanks for the suggestions in advance

[mikef]

exelero said:

I need one that will last me like 10 years and it won’t be out of date

There are two ways to have a PC in 10 years that is not out of date

1. Buy something now that is absolutely top of the range in every component

2. Buy something now that is mid-range and then do the same again in 5 years

Option 2 will work out cheaper

[Greedydog]

As you'll appreciate, the more you pay, the more you get, although it's clearly a case of diminishing returns. I think AMD are the better choice for gaming at the moment with Intel having issues with recent chips. The new AMD 9800X3D is the pick of the bunch (note the X3D part, it's a different beastie from the 9800X) but mileage varies depending on the resolution you use, the type of games you play and the frame rate you are happy with i.e. at 4k the difference isn't as great as games tend to be GPU rather than CPU limited. Edited to add, if you intend on keeping a system for a while it may be worth considering future upgradability, so the AMD AM5 platform could potentially provide an upgrade path to a more powerful future chip.

GPU wise the new Nvidia 5000 cards should be out soon, personally I'd wait for one of them, but don't count on them being cheap or pick up a used 4000 series when folks upgrade.

Edited by Greedydog on Tuesday 19th November 20:32

[exelero]

At the moment the new motherboard that can fit the latest intel processor is just as expensive as the cpu itself That’s crazy if you ask me When do you think the 5000 series GPU’s are coming?

[Greedydog]

exelero said:

At the moment the new motherboard that can fit the latest intel processor is just as expensive as the cpu itself That’s crazy if you ask me When do you think the 5000 series GPU’s are coming?

Rumours have been anywhere from the end of this month to Q1 2025. I’d guess, based on nothing in particular, February, but they may just roll out the high end chips first with mid and lower tier later in the year.

[exelero]

What do we think about this one?

I have 0 idea if the Radeon GPu’s are any good

[OutInTheShed]

mikef said:

There are two ways to have a PC in 10 years that is not out of date

1. Buy something now that is absolutely top of the range in every component

2. Buy something now that is mid-range and then do the same again in 5 years

Option 2 will work out cheaper

That's fair comment.
I always used to go 'mid range' so that if some work came up needing 'the best' I didn't resent the upgrade.
Mostly, 'good enough' is good enough.

[exelero]

OutInTheShed said:

mikef said:

There are two ways to have a PC in 10 years that is not out of date

1. Buy something now that is absolutely top of the range in every component

2. Buy something now that is mid-range and then do the same again in 5 years

Option 2 will work out cheaper

That's fair comment.
I always used to go 'mid range' so that if some work came up needing 'the best' I didn't resent the upgrade.
Mostly, 'good enough' is good enough.

Even the one I have now still does the job. Ok it won’t run new games like Battlefield 2042 and stuff like that, but for what I needed it then (CsGo) is still perfect. Still runs CS2 at a reasonable 175-300 fps on mid settings. Still on original OS as well

[tobster]

exelero said:

What do we think about this one?

I have 0 idea if the Radeon GPu’s are any good

With the AM5 chips, the best memory according to Youtube testers is DD5-6000 CL30

The new 9800X3D is a great processor but seems to be out of stock at most places

I've just built an AM5 PC for my friend and put a 7800XT in and it's a really good card

[exelero]

tobster said:

With the AM5 chips, the best memory according to Youtube testers is DD5-6000 CL30

I don’t know what that means

[tobster]

Sorry, 6000 Mhz is the memory speed and CL30 is the latency. The 6000Mhz is the memory you should go for and the lower latency is the better

A good 2 X16 GB memory would cost about 100 pounds.

This is the PC I built 2 weeks ago

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 (2023) 70.7 CFM CPU Cooler
MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory
ADATA Legend 800 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Core Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card
Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Total cost GBP 1053.17

[exelero]

That’s quite a lot cheaper than what I configured, damn. I would really love a top spec or very close to top spec cpu and that’s what pumps the price
Still that’s a decent pc for not even 1100

[AlexC1981]

It would be interesting to fit the 4070ti into your current PC and see how close you get to the average benchmarks/FPS for the graphics card.

[exelero]

AlexC1981 said:

It would be interesting to fit the 4070ti into your current PC and see how close you get to the average benchmarks/FPS for the graphics card.

I don’t think the CPU could handle it. In fact I’m sure it would catch fire or smth

[Greedydog]

For games it’s the GPU that really makes a difference. I’d lean towards Nvidia, they’re definitely more expensive for pure raster performance on a card by card basis but offer a far wider feature set (much better ray/path tracing etc.) and DLSS is a game changer. No doubt the 5000 series will push the tech advantage further. But it really depends on the games you play. I’m too old for online competitive multiplayer so enjo single player story driven with all the graphics turned right up and SIM racing. I suspect wanting to play MSFS and GTA6 you probably want decent graphics.

[exelero]

Greedydog said:

For games it’s the GPU that really makes a difference. I’d lean towards Nvidia, they’re definitely more expensive for pure raster performance on a card by card basis but offer a far wider feature set (much better ray/path tracing etc.) and DLSS is a game changer. No doubt the 5000 series will push the tech advantage further. But it really depends on the games you play. I’m too old for online competitive multiplayer so enjo single player story driven with all the graphics turned right up and SIM racing. I suspect wanting to play MSFS and GTA6 you probably want decent graphics.

Yes. I just checked and the 4070 ti and the Radeon from above are pretty much equal both on price and performance

[AlexC1981]

exelero said:

Yes. I just checked and the 4070 ti and the Radeon from above are pretty much equal both on price and performance

Looking at the benchmarks on Passmark and on 3dmark, the RX 7800 XT sits between the 3070ti and 3080 in performance.

The 4070 Super benchmarks not too far short of the 4070 ti and is a lot cheaper than the ti. I'd be tempted by one of those in the black friday sales, but it's a bit of a gamble as to what will happen with prices when the 5000 series is launched.

[exelero]

Maybe I’ll need to wait a little. Or I might just pull the trigger on something, I’m sure it’ll be ok for a while anyway. And with the latest motherboard, upgrades will only be a few quid away