AMD still supporting AM4 with the 5500X3D
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Seams a big reluctance to upgrade from am4. (waves). Other wise they wouldn't keep bringing out new cpu's on the platform.
Even if it is speed binned silicone, they still need a stock pile to go at.
This is of course if it's even available here. Like the 5600x3d that didn't come across the pond.
Even if it is speed binned silicone, they still need a stock pile to go at.
This is of course if it's even available here. Like the 5600x3d that didn't come across the pond.
Edited by Shadow R1 on Wednesday 14th August 08:59
For me I'd like to see something more powerful than the top existing AM4 offerings, to tempt me to stay with it.
I am still running a 3800X in an otherwise quite capable (but DDR4) system, I'd planned to upgrade it with the top chip it would take (i.e. the 5950X) and keep it a few more years, but the 5800X3D threw my plans out, and I'm torn between the two - and since I've dallied so long, maybe I should just go with new Motherboard, RAM and a 9800/9950X, except of course no 3D cache versions of them yet..... The 5700X3D and 5500X3D el cheapo models dont tempt me at all - why would i want to save 50 quid for something slower than what already exists in that space?
I am still running a 3800X in an otherwise quite capable (but DDR4) system, I'd planned to upgrade it with the top chip it would take (i.e. the 5950X) and keep it a few more years, but the 5800X3D threw my plans out, and I'm torn between the two - and since I've dallied so long, maybe I should just go with new Motherboard, RAM and a 9800/9950X, except of course no 3D cache versions of them yet..... The 5700X3D and 5500X3D el cheapo models dont tempt me at all - why would i want to save 50 quid for something slower than what already exists in that space?
MickC said:
For me I'd like to see something more powerful than the top existing AM4 offerings, to tempt me to stay with it.
I am still running a 3800X in an otherwise quite capable (but DDR4) system, I'd planned to upgrade it with the top chip it would take (i.e. the 5950X) and keep it a few more years, but the 5800X3D threw my plans out, and I'm torn between the two - and since I've dallied so long, maybe I should just go with new Motherboard, RAM and a 9800/9950X, except of course no 3D cache versions of them yet..... The 5700X3D and 5500X3D el cheapo models dont tempt me at all - why would i want to save 50 quid for something slower than what already exists in that space?
For gaming the 5800X3D would be faster than the 5950X.I am still running a 3800X in an otherwise quite capable (but DDR4) system, I'd planned to upgrade it with the top chip it would take (i.e. the 5950X) and keep it a few more years, but the 5800X3D threw my plans out, and I'm torn between the two - and since I've dallied so long, maybe I should just go with new Motherboard, RAM and a 9800/9950X, except of course no 3D cache versions of them yet..... The 5700X3D and 5500X3D el cheapo models dont tempt me at all - why would i want to save 50 quid for something slower than what already exists in that space?
For multi-core media creation / rendering / etc. then the 5950X is the way to go...assuming you stay on AM4.
But the reviews of the AM5 / Zen 5 CPUs seem to show there's some work to be done in both Windows, AGESA, microcode to tease out the performance that was promised.
In the meantime, my recommendation for a gaming PC is to stick to the AM4/Zen4 7800X3D and DDR5 as you're not going to get any better value for money in the Zen5 CPUs (about 20% more expensive for 5% more performance at the moment)...albeit with better efficiency/IPC in the 9600/9700X models. If the 9800X3D comes out and reviews confirm a 20-30% increase then you'll only have a CPU and maybe BIOS to update.
mmm-five said:
For gaming the 5800X3D would be faster than the 5950X.
For multi-core media creation / rendering / etc. then the 5950X is the way to go...assuming you stay on AM4.
But the reviews of the AM5 / Zen 5 CPUs seem to show there's some work to be done in both Windows, AGESA, microcode to tease out the performance that was promised.
In the meantime, my recommendation for a gaming PC is to stick to the AM4/Zen4 7800X3D and DDR5 as you're not going to get any better value for money in the Zen5 CPUs (about 20% more expensive for 5% more performance at the moment)...albeit with better efficiency/IPC in the 9600/9700X models. If the 9800X3D comes out and reviews confirm a 20-30% increase then you'll only have a CPU and maybe BIOS to update.
Based on what we know so far, I think it's extremely unlikely that a 9800X3D will be more than 4-5% faster than the 7800X3D, based on relative performance of comparable 7000 and 9000 series that are already out.For multi-core media creation / rendering / etc. then the 5950X is the way to go...assuming you stay on AM4.
But the reviews of the AM5 / Zen 5 CPUs seem to show there's some work to be done in both Windows, AGESA, microcode to tease out the performance that was promised.
In the meantime, my recommendation for a gaming PC is to stick to the AM4/Zen4 7800X3D and DDR5 as you're not going to get any better value for money in the Zen5 CPUs (about 20% more expensive for 5% more performance at the moment)...albeit with better efficiency/IPC in the 9600/9700X models. If the 9800X3D comes out and reviews confirm a 20-30% increase then you'll only have a CPU and maybe BIOS to update.
But you never know - maybe they can more easily jack up the clockspeeds on the 9800X3D as that has always been a weakpoint of X3D CPUs due to having the extra cache memory stacked on top, reducing how hot you can let the CPU cores get.
In time the 7000s will cease manufacture and all you will get (new) are 9000s ... probably at around the 7000 pricepoint today.
If I were building a new system to replace my 5900x based machine right now, I'd just go for a 7800X3D for games - or a 7900x or 7950x for productivity.
5800X3D vs 5950X, yes i know the 3D is better for gaming and the 16core for multithreaded stuff, tbh right now I do neither (well i do game but nothing that's taxing my current CPU) But I might want to.
I have a 4080 so the X3D kinda makes sense but I want more than 8 cores (why? Just because I can!). Nothing i'm playing right now taxes the 4080 either, did play new world and hogwarts legacy last year (which is why i upgraded the 1070 to a 4080) but its not really needed. This MB/CPU is getting a bit older than i would usually keep them though.
You are right about the 9700x not being a big enough upgrade over the 7700 series. Sounds like AMD has some work to do and rumours of upping the TDP to push more performance out of them.
I have a 4080 so the X3D kinda makes sense but I want more than 8 cores (why? Just because I can!). Nothing i'm playing right now taxes the 4080 either, did play new world and hogwarts legacy last year (which is why i upgraded the 1070 to a 4080) but its not really needed. This MB/CPU is getting a bit older than i would usually keep them though.
You are right about the 9700x not being a big enough upgrade over the 7700 series. Sounds like AMD has some work to do and rumours of upping the TDP to push more performance out of them.
Shadow R1 said:
Seams a big reluctance to upgrade from am4. (waves). Other wise they wouldn't keep bringing out new cpu's on the platform.
Even if it is speed binned silicone, they still need a stock pile to go at.
When supplying data centre customers with 1000's of CPU's they have to contract to provide replacements for the next few years. Intel have their own manufacturing so if they get low they can make a short run. AMD have to stock pile, but they stock pile chiplets rather than complete CPU's, so as big customers move to newer chips the old Zen 3 chiplets become free and turning them into AM4 processors has the best return.Even if it is speed binned silicone, they still need a stock pile to go at.
I'd expect to see the same with Zen 4 as server sales were even higher.
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