AMD Ryzen 9000 & X3D

[FourWheelDrift]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-9000-ai-300-cpu...

That'll be Ryzen 5, 7 and 9 9000 series. Not the X3D chips yet, but I bet they won't be long coming if people wait for them and few rush to buy the standard chips.

[Matty_]

I've been holding off on a 5800X3D for my old AM4 platform....so will be interesting to see what happens with pricing when this land. As you say, no 3D ones so it may be that it makes no impact, but might as well wait for a few weeks to see.

[FourWheelDrift]

Delayed until August.

[Lucas Ayde]

Seems to be more of a production quality issue than an underperformance problem with the architecture.

With the current drama around the 13th and 14th gen Intel chips physically failing, the last thing that they want to do is ship physically defective Ryzen chips as they launch their own new generation.

[FourWheelDrift]

If you saw Steve's earlier video he was annoyed that Intel were only shipping a microcode update after Zen 5 launched which meant they would have to do double the testing to test Zen 5 and Intel at Zen 5 launch and then again after the code update for Intel. I think AMD didn't want to get Steve mad and delayed Zen 5 until Intel's update had dropped.

[thatsprettyshady]

Lucas Ayde said:

Seems to be more of a production quality issue than an underperformance problem with the architecture.

With the current drama around the 13th and 14th gen Intel chips physically failing, the last thing that they want to do is ship physically defective Ryzen chips as they launch their own new generation.

Would agree on that, the Intel problem is massive, I'm also on my third 7800X3D after issues with quality.

The Verge said:

This is not because AMD's found any issues with the actual chips, spokesperson Stacy MacDiarmid tells The Verge. Rather, AMD discovered some of its chips didn't go through all of the proper testing procedures, and the company wants to make sure they do.

[rodericb]

thatsprettyshady said:

7800X3D

How do you become aware of quality problems with the CPU? Does it crash, not work from the get-go or you have to test it to find out? I am just about to buy one of those CPU's....

[thatsprettyshady]

rodericb said:

thatsprettyshady said:

7800X3D

How do you become aware of quality problems with the CPU? Does it crash, not work from the get-go or you have to test it to find out? I am just about to buy one of those CPU's....

One was DOA, one needed positive CO just to pass tests but the third was great! You'll know pretty sharpish if there is an issue.

[rodericb]

thatsprettyshady said:

One was DOA, one needed positive CO just to pass tests but the third was great! You'll know pretty sharpish if there is an issue.

Phew, thanks

[14]

The review of the 9600x and 9700x are out. I’ve only watched jayztwocents and gamers nexus videos, and they aren’t impressed with both cpu’s. They both had problems with the 9600x to a point that Steve didn’t include it in his review.

[Jinx]

14 said:

The review of the 9600x and 9700x are out. I’ve only watched jayztwocents and gamers nexus videos, and they aren’t impressed with both cpu’s. They both had problems with the 9600x to a point that Steve didn’t include it in his review.

Looks like around a 3% overall improvement on the 7000 equivalent parts with around 3% better energy consumption. Whilst cheaper launch prices than the 7000 launch prices the new chips are about 10% more expensive than retail 7000 prices. Not much of an improvement but will probably drop in price soon enough to make them more interesting.

[FourWheelDrift]

9700x still behind my 5800X3D in gaming performance. I was waiting for the 9800X3D anyway though.

[14]

FourWheelDrift said:

9700x still behind my 5800X3D in gaming performance. I was waiting for the 9800X3D anyway though.

I wonder if AMD will release a 9600x3d? That’s a CPU that I’d be interested in buying, as a 9800x3d is a bit overkill for my use.

[mmm-five]

Very disappointed in the performance of the 9700X...seems the only good bit is the increased efficiency/IPC, and strangely the Photoshop benchmark performance where it beats everything else. Maybe this will become known as the 'Photoshop CPU'?

Unless there's further optimisations to come from AGESA/BIOS changes, or with the newer X870 motherboard (not that I've ready anything particular claiming those sort of optimisations) then for the same price you might as well spec a 7800X3D for gaming or 7900X/7950X for media creation.

[Jinx]

mmm-five said:

Very disappointed in the performance of the 9700X...seems the only good bit is the increased efficiency/IPC, and strangely the Photoshop benchmark performance where it beats everything else. Maybe this will become known as the 'Photoshop CPU'?

Unless there's further optimisations to come from AGESA/BIOS changes, or with the newer X870 motherboard (not that I've ready anything particular claiming those sort of optimisations) then for the same price you might as well spec a 7800X3D for gaming or 7900X/7950X for media creation.

If you use linux the 9000 series looks pretty good ( https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9600x-9700x) - so the weak performance might be a Windows issue.

[mmm-five]

Jinx said:

If you use linux the 9000 series looks pretty good ( https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9600x-9700x) - so the weak performance might be a Windows issue.

There's also some concern that the testing methodology/settings may need to be tweaked to get the best performance...and maybe AMD should have modified their default/baseline settings to ensure this from their retail units, rather than needing their customers to do this manually.

Maybe a AGESA/Windows update will address some of this, but who knows.





Anantech

Tom's Hardware

[Jinx]

mmm-five said:

There's also some concern that the testing methodology/settings may need to be tweaked to get the best performance...and maybe AMD should have modified their default/baseline settings to ensure this from their retail units, rather than needing their customers to do this manually.

Maybe a AGESA/Windows update will address some of this, but who knows.





Anantech

Tom's Hardware

I hope so - I'll be in the market for a new CPU, motherboard and RAM combo early next year so hoping for some good things from AMD - been on Intel since 2009 so need a change
IIRC the first threadrippers especially the 64 core ones had real problems with windows scheduler when they came out so there might be some tweaks that improve things for the 9000 series.

[thatsprettyshady]

mmm-five said:

Very disappointed in the performance of the 9700X...seems the only good bit is the increased efficiency/IPC, and strangely the Photoshop benchmark performance where it beats everything else. Maybe this will become known as the 'Photoshop CPU'?

Unless there's further optimisations to come from AGESA/BIOS changes, or [with the newer X870 motherboard (not that I've ready anything particular claiming those sort of optimisations) then for the same price you might as well spec a 7800X3D for gaming or 7900X/7950X for media creation.

The only thing X870 is bringing over the X670 is standard USB4 support, the bios chip is identical, so if you were waiting for the board there's no need.

[FourWheelDrift]

thatsprettyshady said:

The only thing X870 is bringing over the X670 is standard USB4 support, the bios chip is identical, so if you were waiting for the board there's no need.

I'm looking at the X870 MSI Tomahawk as unlike the current version it has a debug LED code digit display, if as it's a Tomahawk it's cheaper than an X670E with an LED display (Aorus Master, Asus (spit) ROG Strix E) then I'll get it.

[thatsprettyshady]

FourWheelDrift said:

thatsprettyshady said:

The only thing X870 is bringing over the X670 is standard USB4 support, the bios chip is identical, so if you were waiting for the board there's no need.

I'm looking at the X870 MSI Tomahawk as unlike the current version it has a debug LED code digit display, if as it's a Tomahawk it's cheaper than an X670E with an LED display (Aorus Master, Asus (spit) ROG Strix E) then I'll get it.

I've never had an MSI board, suprised that one of their top boards doesn't have an LED code display.

I've always had Asus boards, I currently have a X670 Gene which is pretty decent and added bonus it's already got USB4 so no need to go for X870.

I think perhaps with AMDs new shift towards faster memory speeds (8000+) board choice might become important again, as some of the lower boards (Asus Strix, Gigabyte) can't hit 8000 even with the good CPU due to poor memory traces.