Fibre to the Premises
Discussion
In preparation I thought I would ask those that already have FTTP what there setup is after the ONT.
Obviously I could use a basic network switch but I would need DHCP and maybe other things - firewall, VPN?
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
The FTTP set should also include a 3 node WIFI mesh setup. ( The current setup I will disable WIFI).
BTW Draytek is my current supplier so I have most knowledge on their kit. WIll definitely consider others.
Obviously I could use a basic network switch but I would need DHCP and maybe other things - firewall, VPN?
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
The FTTP set should also include a 3 node WIFI mesh setup. ( The current setup I will disable WIFI).
BTW Draytek is my current supplier so I have most knowledge on their kit. WIll definitely consider others.
ONT into the provider supplied router, which is sent to modem-only mode.
The modem then is cabled into my master Eero 7 Pro and in turn connected in a mesh to 2 other Eero 7 (non-pro) devices dotted around the house.
I do use the Ethernet outputs on the modem to feed the master sockets in the house too - worked seamlessly for a couple of years now.
The modem then is cabled into my master Eero 7 Pro and in turn connected in a mesh to 2 other Eero 7 (non-pro) devices dotted around the house.
I do use the Ethernet outputs on the modem to feed the master sockets in the house too - worked seamlessly for a couple of years now.
Greenmantle said:
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Do you mean you are going to have a second connection via FTTP & keep paying for the old VDSL line as well?I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Mr Pointy said:
Greenmantle said:
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Do you mean you are going to have a second connection via FTTP & keep paying for the old VDSL line as well?I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Greenmantle said:
Mr Pointy said:
Greenmantle said:
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Do you mean you are going to have a second connection via FTTP & keep paying for the old VDSL line as well?I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Greenmantle said:
Mr Pointy said:
Greenmantle said:
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Do you mean you are going to have a second connection via FTTP & keep paying for the old VDSL line as well?I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Funk said:
Greenmantle said:
Mr Pointy said:
Greenmantle said:
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
Do you mean you are going to have a second connection via FTTP & keep paying for the old VDSL line as well?I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
If your existing broadband router is good/fast/capable, and has a WAN port, you can unplug the broadband, and plug the fibre into the router.
No change to existing users/kit. If there's an outage, then just plug the broadband/phone line back in.
But usually the provider will bend over backwards to provide a router...
No change to existing users/kit. If there's an outage, then just plug the broadband/phone line back in.
But usually the provider will bend over backwards to provide a router...
My ONT connects to a Fortigate firewall that does the PPP to the ISP. There's a switched network behind that which is way too complex for a domestic environment but it's what I do for a living and I like playing with the set-up. The fibre is from Cityfibre and they are wholesaling to the ISP. The only issue I had was finding the VLAN tag that the ISP was using across the Cityfibre network for the WAN interface on the firewall.
Edited by ffc on Monday 20th May 18:07
biggiles said:
If your existing broadband router is good/fast/capable, and has a WAN port, you can unplug the broadband, and plug the fibre into the router.
No change to existing users/kit. If there's an outage, then just plug the broadband/phone line back in.
But usually the provider will bend over backwards to provide a router...
That's what I did, I couldn't be bothered to go around and fiddle with everything.No change to existing users/kit. If there's an outage, then just plug the broadband/phone line back in.
But usually the provider will bend over backwards to provide a router...
I still had to play around with the settings in the router to get it to do router-y things off the WAN port.
What you need to have to allow failover between the two is a dual WAN router.
For a while I was running a unifi USG with WAN1 hooked up to the the FTTP modem and WAN2 to a BT ADSL, via a third party modem (Drayton Vigor 130). Switch/Wi-Fi all hung off the back of the USG.
Upgraded the USG to a UDM Pro (USG tops out at iirc 250 meg and my fibre is faster) but have binned the ADSL as it wasn’t proving necessary.
Neither the USG nor Draytel have been used for a few years (still sat in my cabinet) a long with a unifi could key. I don’t know how easy the unifi stuff would be to return to factory settings/unpair but if they might be of use to you I’ll gladly have a look as otherwise they’ll just end up going for recycling at some point.
For a while I was running a unifi USG with WAN1 hooked up to the the FTTP modem and WAN2 to a BT ADSL, via a third party modem (Drayton Vigor 130). Switch/Wi-Fi all hung off the back of the USG.
Upgraded the USG to a UDM Pro (USG tops out at iirc 250 meg and my fibre is faster) but have binned the ADSL as it wasn’t proving necessary.
Neither the USG nor Draytel have been used for a few years (still sat in my cabinet) a long with a unifi could key. I don’t know how easy the unifi stuff would be to return to factory settings/unpair but if they might be of use to you I’ll gladly have a look as otherwise they’ll just end up going for recycling at some point.
Morning all,
TH
x5tuu said:
ONT into the provider supplied router, which is sent to modem-only mode.
The modem then is cabled into my master Eero 7 Pro and in turn connected in a mesh to 2 other Eero 7 (non-pro) devices dotted around the house.
I do use the Ethernet outputs on the modem to feed the master sockets in the house too - worked seamlessly for a couple of years now.
One snippet to add in case it helps anyone - the connection between the ONT and your router is a standard network cable, so you can use existing network wiring (but not through a switch) to give you flexibility on where to place your router, which may make it easier to find a compromise between your existing setup and the possibilities for ONT location.The modem then is cabled into my master Eero 7 Pro and in turn connected in a mesh to 2 other Eero 7 (non-pro) devices dotted around the house.
I do use the Ethernet outputs on the modem to feed the master sockets in the house too - worked seamlessly for a couple of years now.
TH
thr32 said:
One snippet to add in case it helps anyone - the connection between the ONT and your router is a standard network cable, so you can use existing network wiring (but not through a switch) to give you flexibility on where to place your router, which may make it easier to find a compromise between your existing setup and the possibilities for ONT location.
TH
If you could answer this in a way a keen amateur could understand, I’d very much appreciate it…TH
Why can there not be a switch between the fibre box and the Ethernet network?
I tried to put one between so that I could have both my Sky Router attached and my wired network (my Sky box hates any WiFi other than the one from the Sky Router, so needs to remain for that), and as you say, it didn’t work.
Greenmantle said:
In preparation I thought I would ask those that already have FTTP what there setup is after the ONT.
Obviously I could use a basic network switch but I would need DHCP and maybe other things - firewall, VPN?
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
The FTTP set should also include a 3 node WIFI mesh setup. ( The current setup I will disable WIFI).
BTW Draytek is my current supplier so I have most knowledge on their kit. WIll definitely consider others.
You may find your old Draytek won't work with FTTP - my old Vigor 2830n wouldn't work with Zen/CityFibre so I made do with the Technicolor thing Zen set when I joined.Obviously I could use a basic network switch but I would need DHCP and maybe other things - firewall, VPN?
My current broadband router is staying put. It is very old and I want to use my current line as a backup.
I can do this since the house is wired and I can run separate LANS to every room.
The FTTP set should also include a 3 node WIFI mesh setup. ( The current setup I will disable WIFI).
BTW Draytek is my current supplier so I have most knowledge on their kit. WIll definitely consider others.
I replaced the Technicolor router last week with a Ubiquiti Cloud Gateway Ultra, it supports multiple WAN connections and has no built-in WiFi which is perfect for me as I just use it with my existing TPLink Deco mesh stuff. The Cloud Gateway Ultra has a 2.5Gbps connection dedicated for your primary WAN link, that'll go direct into the fibre box (modem, media converter, whatever it is) and there's another four 1Gbps LAN ports, one of which can be reconfigured to be your secondary WAN connection. My LAN is currently based around cheap Netgear unmanaged switches - an 8 port one connected direct to the Ubiquiti, then a number of other 4 and 8-port ones, the TPLink mesh nodes and some devices around the house connected back through a patch panel to the main switch. Works well for us but I'll be upgrading the switches and probably mesh/APs to Ubiquiti stuff over time.
Ken_Code said:
If you could answer this in a way a keen amateur could understand, I’d very much appreciate it…
Why can there not be a switch between the fibre box and the Ethernet network?
I tried to put one between so that I could have both my Sky Router attached and my wired network (my Sky box hates any WiFi other than the one from the Sky Router, so needs to remain for that), and as you say, it didn’t work.
I'll try... your router has an upstream connection to the internet (WAN) and any number of downstream connections to the local network (LAN). It has to be the point where the internet comes into your network (so ONT -> router -> everything else). My point was that you can put the router anywhere you want (within reason/100m) as long as you can get Cat5e/6 from the ONT to the router. If you have a cable installed between the ONT and your Sky router, that could be all the router you need.Why can there not be a switch between the fibre box and the Ethernet network?
I tried to put one between so that I could have both my Sky Router attached and my wired network (my Sky box hates any WiFi other than the one from the Sky Router, so needs to remain for that), and as you say, it didn’t work.
Hope that helps.
TH
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