Facebook & Privacy?
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I do not have a FB account (I didn't like people I long ago wanted nothing to do with appearing as potential friends etc). Anyway FB seems to be using my data as follows...
I have person A in my contacts (and vice versa). I call a builder who is not in my contacts or person A's contacts (but the builder has FB) but then the builder appears as a potential friend in person A's FB account. How is that possible? It's as if FB records who called the builder then sends every one with that number in their contacts the builder as a potential friend.
I could understand if person A called the builder directly. But why when I have no FB account is FB using my number to link the two people?
PS - I have another gripe re FB whereby I can sign up immediately but when closing my account they don't close it for 28 days and endlessly nag you not to cancel it. Surely under GDPR the exiting of an arrangement should be as easy as creating the arrangement?
I have person A in my contacts (and vice versa). I call a builder who is not in my contacts or person A's contacts (but the builder has FB) but then the builder appears as a potential friend in person A's FB account. How is that possible? It's as if FB records who called the builder then sends every one with that number in their contacts the builder as a potential friend.
I could understand if person A called the builder directly. But why when I have no FB account is FB using my number to link the two people?
PS - I have another gripe re FB whereby I can sign up immediately but when closing my account they don't close it for 28 days and endlessly nag you not to cancel it. Surely under GDPR the exiting of an arrangement should be as easy as creating the arrangement?
Defcon5 said:
Facebook record your phone contact list
Your friend has you saved in their phone
The builder now has you saved in their phone
Thus they both know you, and it matches them as people that may know each other.
You may not have a Facebook account, but Facebook has an account of you…
This is my point really. I haven't given FB permission to use my number in this way, so how can they? They're using non FB users telephone numbers to match actual FB users together.Your friend has you saved in their phone
The builder now has you saved in their phone
Thus they both know you, and it matches them as people that may know each other.
You may not have a Facebook account, but Facebook has an account of you…
Scarletpimpofnel said:
Defcon5 said:
Facebook record your phone contact list
Your friend has you saved in their phone
The builder now has you saved in their phone
Thus they both know you, and it matches them as people that may know each other.
You may not have a Facebook account, but Facebook has an account of you…
This is my point really. I haven't given FB permission to use my number in this way, so how can they? They're using non FB users telephone numbers to match actual FB users together.Your friend has you saved in their phone
The builder now has you saved in their phone
Thus they both know you, and it matches them as people that may know each other.
You may not have a Facebook account, but Facebook has an account of you…
Facebook know what you look like, where you live, where you go and who you meet - even if you have never had an account. They also sell this data in an 'anonymised' format, just like most of the other tech and social media companies do.
When people say they don't care about privacy because they aren't up to anything, this is the crap that ends up happening.
If it makes you feel better, FB are less worse than some other platforms, who also do the same things but don't even pretend to anonymise the datasets they sell.
When people say they don't care about privacy because they aren't up to anything, this is the crap that ends up happening.
If it makes you feel better, FB are less worse than some other platforms, who also do the same things but don't even pretend to anonymise the datasets they sell.
The Rotrex Kid said:
Because your number is saved in someone else’s phone, they have FB permission to access the contacts. Technically, your gripe is with them, not FB!
I don't see it that way. No one has the right to share / use my data except me? I can't see how it's legal for someone else to share who I've been calling on my phone by them signing a FB terms of use agreement?I just don't see how this stacks up with the privacy I had assumed GDPR would give us.
Oh well it is what it is!
Is there anyway I can opt out of being a pawn in FB's game despite never having opted in?
Baldchap said:
Facebook know what you look like, where you live, where you go and who you meet - even if you have never had an account. They also sell this data in an 'anonymised' format, just like most of the other tech and social media companies do.
When people say they don't care about privacy because they aren't up to anything, this is the crap that ends up happening.
If it makes you feel better, FB are less worse than some other platforms, who also do the same things but don't even pretend to anonymise the datasets they sell.
Can you name such other platforms?When people say they don't care about privacy because they aren't up to anything, this is the crap that ends up happening.
If it makes you feel better, FB are less worse than some other platforms, who also do the same things but don't even pretend to anonymise the datasets they sell.
Scarletpimpofnel said:
I just don't see how this stacks up with the privacy I had assumed GDPR would give us.
Awww blesshttps://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security...
Facebook in not respecting privacy shocker.
jagnet said:
Scarletpimpofnel said:
I just don't see how this stacks up with the privacy I had assumed GDPR would give us.
Awww blesshttps://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security...
Facebook in not respecting privacy shocker.
Scarletpimpofnel said:
Can you name such other platforms?
TikTok's TOS actually states they will sell your data to anyone they see fit. Versions of the software have had keyloggers and packet sniffers and such built in. Part of the reason most governments don't allow it on their networks at all and the USA is considering an outright ban. It's literally the definition of spyware. RUSTILLDOWN said:
WhatsApp = Facebook
I have a few friends who use Signal as an alternative to WhatsApp, mainly because they want as little to do with Facebook as possible. It has a lot of the functionality as WhatsApp but not that many users as most people aren't that bothered about Facebook using their data.MesoForm said:
RUSTILLDOWN said:
WhatsApp = Facebook
I have a few friends who use Signal as an alternative to WhatsApp, mainly because they want as little to do with Facebook as possible. It has a lot of the functionality as WhatsApp but not that many users as most people aren't that bothered about Facebook using their data.It's not just your data.
If I called you that is logged in multiple place. My phone and my supplier will have a record of an out going call from my number to your number. Your phone and supplier will have a record of a call to your number from my number.
You have no ownership of the records on my phone simply because they happen to contain your phone number. Because there is your PII there are some restrictions on what I can do with it where it could impact on your privacy and rights but you do not get a blanket veto on me being able to process it either directly or with the help of a 3rd party.
If I want to invite a 3rd party to have a rummage through my data, my call logs and see if I match someone else who invited them to go through their call logs I can do that and we do not need the consent of all the people i've called, we have a legitimate interest, I want to make new friends and the 3rd party want to help me and they cannot do that using this method without processing the phone numbers in my call logs.
If you put Facebooks terrible track record on this aside in principle its perfectly legitimate and of no real concern or consequence to you until the 3rd party does something illegal or suffers a data breach.
This is Facebook, so of course there are all sorts of issue around did I actually consent, did I actually agree to it and did they limit themselves to just doing what i possibly agreed to let them do or did they do a bunch of other stuff without a legitimate interest or anyone's consent, and did they then sell / leak that data dozens and dozens of times.
Facebook have pinky promised to almost always follow most of the law, only sell data where there is no chance of getting found out and try really hard not to have any more breaches so its all absolutely fine.
If I called you that is logged in multiple place. My phone and my supplier will have a record of an out going call from my number to your number. Your phone and supplier will have a record of a call to your number from my number.
You have no ownership of the records on my phone simply because they happen to contain your phone number. Because there is your PII there are some restrictions on what I can do with it where it could impact on your privacy and rights but you do not get a blanket veto on me being able to process it either directly or with the help of a 3rd party.
If I want to invite a 3rd party to have a rummage through my data, my call logs and see if I match someone else who invited them to go through their call logs I can do that and we do not need the consent of all the people i've called, we have a legitimate interest, I want to make new friends and the 3rd party want to help me and they cannot do that using this method without processing the phone numbers in my call logs.
If you put Facebooks terrible track record on this aside in principle its perfectly legitimate and of no real concern or consequence to you until the 3rd party does something illegal or suffers a data breach.
This is Facebook, so of course there are all sorts of issue around did I actually consent, did I actually agree to it and did they limit themselves to just doing what i possibly agreed to let them do or did they do a bunch of other stuff without a legitimate interest or anyone's consent, and did they then sell / leak that data dozens and dozens of times.
Facebook have pinky promised to almost always follow most of the law, only sell data where there is no chance of getting found out and try really hard not to have any more breaches so its all absolutely fine.
Scarletpimpofnel said:
BUT I haven't given permission for my data to be used
You keep saying that, but in order to create the account in the first place (you know, the one you had before you deleted it, which never gets properly deleted anyway) you have to agree to their terms and conditions by clicking the checkbox and within those 44 pages there are various clauses that basically say they can do whateve the f
k they want with anything you post on their platform and by creating the account you consent to them accessing, using and selling any and all of your personal data along with anyone in your contacts lists.If you didn't give them permission to do any of this, then how were you able to create and use the account as you are unable to create an account without consenting to them using all of your data as they see fit?
Edited by r3g on Friday 5th April 09:22
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